Good! Then perhaps the problem is only with a small percentage of our police forces. We should make that small percentage better, such that they have the training and resources to resolve situations like this one without killing the suspect.
Just the ones who try to assassinate government servants.
What a pathetic justification of a truly evil sentiment.
I’ll give you the not driving up on the guy…I had a similar situation last week…but we parked across the street and I was able to have my taser at the ready, but my partner still had his gun out in case the taser didn’t work…and sure as shit would have shot the guy if it failed. Thankfully, the guy complied and everything went fine. However, in the video above. you are assuming the cops would be able to spot the guy from far enough away, who knows maybe they rolled up and we’re like “oh crap, there he is” and didn’t have time…too many variables in these kinds of situations…
“Evil” is a social fiction.
But even presupposing its existence, there is nothing evil about killing a mentally ill person lunging at you with a knife, any more than putting down a rabid dog is evil.
Your assertion that society should not suffer some mentally ill people to live is what I called “evil”.
It was a clear day. Considering how quickly the officers arrived, I think it’s reasonable to consider that they could have seen him and approached from a bit farther away.
Rancid, fascist and sick sentiment, through and through.
What social obligation do we have towards people who attempt to murder police officers?
Same question as above.
The same social obligation that we have to any mentally ill individual. To try and prevent them from harming themselves or others with the minimum necessary force. As we’ve seen from police actions in other countries, the minimum necessary force is usually not shooting them.
This question was answered, and your false assumption was corrected.
Usually.
Meaning “typically but not always”.
Meaning that you acknowledge that shooting them is sometimes the minimum necessary force.
Glad to hear that we agree, then.
No we don’t, because in this case it likely was not the minimum necessary force.
Further, we disagree on your statement that society should not suffer such mentally ill people to live.
The idea that someone being threatened with violence should have to make a calculation about what level of force is the “minimum necessary” is abhorrent, and has lead to a significant amount of people here in the UK being imprisoned for defending themselves.
If someone’s attacking you in such a way that they could kill or seriously injure you, lethal force is always acceptable in self defence, whether or not you’re a cop. That doesn’t mean it’s always necessary, or the best option, but someone using it doesn’t deserve criticism.
Oh, and he never said we should suffer the mentally ill to live. Speaking of strawmen, that’s the biggest one in the thread so far.
It’s a good thing I never made such a statement, then;
He said we should not suffer mentally ill people who lunge at the police to live.
(my bolding)
Cite please, because I don’t believe that that is true (unless you have cases like that of Tony Martin in mind, which is nothing like the case here and he certainly deserved to go to jail).
I said “such mentally ill people”, so that is in fact what you said. I didn’t say “all mentally ill people”. The word “such” specifies the ones we were talking about.
In the case of this video (from the OP), the cops could have approached the situation differently – for example, as has been suggested, they could have parked farther away and maintained greater distance. I’m not saying the cops were monsters and should be locked up – I’m saying that there might have been a better way, and perhaps the cops weren’t trained for it. And it seems like this is a recurring problem – lots more unarmed/knife-armed people in the US get shot by police than in some other countries. I think we can do better here.