# Video of trump sexually humiliating woman on stage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994 "2016-10-29T02:58:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/121 "2016-10-31T17:30:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You don’t get to determine if Trump acted badly towards Hawkins if Hawkins herself does not agree. Otherwise, you remove from her the agency to determine how she wishes to be treated and substitute your own. “Oh, no no no, officer. The neighbors got the wrong idea— he was just giving me a ‘love tap’! We do it all the time, it’s just teasing. This shiner? I walked into a door! I’m so clumsy! I even knocked my husband off balance when I fell. Landed on his knuckles and scraped them all up. We’re fine, honest!” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/122 "2016-10-31T17:39:36Z")
> [@Barrett\_Bonden](#): > > Two problems with your analysis. The first is that this was not a private interaction between two individuals. This was public and unscripted. You are not allowed to treat a fellow human being badly in public because you’re sure when you ask afterward that they will be okay with it. No, I disagree. Return to my example of the woman wearing the dog collar. Is she not allowed to do so in public? > [@](#): > > Second, when there is a disparity in power, claiming that the person without power is “okay with it” is a cop out. I don’t care that there are women on the planet who would accept being treated that way. That doesn’t excuse his behavior. Again, I disagree. Your approach means that when there is a disparity of power, no consent for such treatment is valid, and I disagree completely. However, I thank you for being the first person to actually argue the points at issue here. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/123 "2016-10-31T17:40:57Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > “Oh, no no no, officer. The neighbors got the wrong idea— he was just giving me a ‘love tap’! We do it all the time, it’s just teasing. This shiner? I walked into a door! I’m so clumsy! I even knocked my husband off balance when I fell. Landed on his knuckles and scraped them all up. We’re fine, honest!” A somewhat valid point… except I feel that it has already been refuted by the “easy way / hard way” discussion above. Remember the distinction I offered there? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/124 "2016-10-31T17:42:36Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > “Oh, no no no, officer. The neighbors got the wrong idea— he was just giving me a ‘love tap’! We do it all the time, it’s just teasing. This shiner? I walked into a door! I’m so clumsy! I even knocked my husband off balance when I fell. Landed on his knuckles and scraped them all up. We’re fine, honest!” [Yes I think I’m okay / I walked into the door again / If you ask that’s what I’ll say / And it’s not your business anyway…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZt7J0iaUD0) ---
**Author:** ![Barrett\_Bonden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@Barrett\_Bonden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barrett_Bonden)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/125 "2016-10-31T18:01:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, I disagree. > > Return to my example of the woman wearing the dog collar. Is she not allowed to do so in public? I actually agree with you about the dog collar, because the person wearing the collar has specifically consented to the treatment in advance. > [@Bricker](#): > > Again, I disagree. Your approach means that when there is a disparity of power, no consent for such treatment is valid, and I disagree completely. Yeah, that is pretty much my point. There’s no valid consent for abuse. I regard it like OSHA, actually. I don’t care if someone waived\* their right to a safe work environment. You are still required to provide a safe work environment. \*tried to waive their right. You can’t actually waive it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/126 "2016-10-31T18:09:21Z")
> [@Barrett\_Bonden](#): > > I actually agree with you about the dog collar, because the person wearing the collar has specifically consented to the treatment in advance. > > Yeah, that is pretty much my point. There’s no valid consent for abuse. > > I regard it like OSHA, actually. I don’t care if someone waived\* their right to a safe work environment. You are still required to provide a safe work environment. > > \*tried to waive their right. You can’t actually waive it. Why can Dog Collar Lady waive her right to be treated like a human being, then? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/127 "2016-10-31T18:17:33Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Why can Dog Collar Lady waive her right to be treated like a human being, then? Because it sets a bad precedent and society as a whole is the worse for it. Now, she can choose to submit to that kind of treatment of her own volition in either private or public settings. BUT, it would be bad for society (in a legal/moral sense) to agree to view her as anything less than human and all the rights that entails. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/128 "2016-10-31T18:22:09Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Because it sets a bad precedent and society as a whole is the worse for it. > > Now, she can choose to submit to that kind of treatment of her own volition in either private or public settings. BUT, it would be bad for society (in a legal/moral sense) to agree to view her as anything less than human and all the rights that entails. Um… huh? We all seemingly agree that a woman can validly consent to wearing a dog collar, being paraded around in public by her “Master,” and being treated like a dog, even slapped or hit. But a woman cannot consent to being treated as Hawkins was? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/129 "2016-10-31T18:30:57Z")
This is what I get for walking in half way through a conversation. :smack: Allow me to caveat what I posted previously. Hawkins can consent to being Trump’s rug all she wants. She’s well within her rights to do so. But that doesn’t mean that we (as a society) have to agree with her or encourage predators (i.e. Trump) to think it’s acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/130 "2016-10-31T18:36:55Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > This is what I get for walking in half way through a conversation. :smack: > > Allow me to caveat what I posted previously. > > Hawkins can consent to being Trump’s rug all she wants. She’s well within her rights to do so. > > But that doesn’t mean that we (as a society) have to agree with her or encourage predators (i.e. Trump) to think it’s acceptable. I don’t disagree with anything you wrote here. I am just discussing her right to consent. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/131 "2016-10-31T18:37:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Um… huh? > > We all seemingly agree that a woman can validly consent to wearing a dog collar, being paraded around in public by her “Master,” and being treated like a dog,\*\* even slapped or hit.\*\* > > But a woman cannot consent to being treated as Hawkins was? Want to go on record that I do not concede to the bolded part being displayed in public. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/132 "2016-10-31T18:39:38Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Want to go on record that I do not concede to the bolded part being displayed in public. OK. So in your view, a person cannot consent to being slapped or hit in public? Even if the person desires to be treated thusly? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/133 "2016-10-31T18:40:25Z")
In my view. Correct. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/134 "2016-10-31T18:43:43Z")
Boxing and MMA contests are an entirely different thing. In case you were thinking it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/135 "2016-10-31T18:43:56Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > In my view. Correct. OK. I disagree. In my view, a person CAN meaningfully consent to being slapped or hit in public. What is your rationale for saying otherwise? What are the limits of consent, according to you? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/136 "2016-10-31T18:49:18Z")
What I saw Trump do was, in his own words, disgraceful. Obviously she couldn’t do much about it without insulting the owner of the pageant and jeopardizing her own job security. It just further reveals his own chauvinism/misogyny and his belief that he owns people, like master. What’s worse is the huge part of the population that sees nothing wrong with this. She consented to this treatment about as much as Melania consented to do two or three more big speeches. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/137 "2016-10-31T18:50:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > OK. > > So in your view, a person cannot consent to being slapped or hit in public? Even if the person desires to be treated thusly? I gotta admit, I don’t understand your worldview here. I think a person _can_ consent to be slapped or hit in public. I think they can even consent after the fact, sure. But I’m not about to go around slapping people in the hopes that I’ll find out later that they’re cool with it. That’s what we call high risk, low reward. Is Trump a mind reader? Did they talk about this attempted kiss beforehand? I don’t believe either of those things. I’m trying to think of a ridiculous analogy. So let’s say I can shoot portable toilets on my own farm, right? No law against that as far as I know. Now let’s say I’m having a farm party and I order a row of portable toilets, then halfway through the party while we’re having a calm conversation I pull out my ol’ 1911 and plug a few holes through one of them randomly. You stand there, aghast, waiting for the blood to run out the bottom of the door, but I open it and show you, to your relief, that nobody was inside. No harm no foul, right? Ends up nothing bad happened. But I’m still the kind of moron who fires into a portable toilet without checking that it’s empty first. If I keep doing that, I’m liable to kill someone. Likewise, if Trump keeps going around kissing women without their consent, he’s liable to commit sexual assault. And lo-and-behold, lots of women have come forward saying that he’s done just that. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/138 "2016-10-31T18:56:38Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > OK. I disagree. In my view, a person CAN meaningfully consent to being slapped or hit in public. > > What is your rationale for saying otherwise? What are the limits of consent, according to you? The limits of consent, in my opinion, would include anything that would contribute to publicly promoting in-equality in society. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/139 "2016-10-31T19:01:08Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > What I saw Trump do was, in his own words, disgraceful. Obviously she couldn’t do much about it without insulting the owner of the pageant and jeopardizing her own job security. It just further reveals his own chauvinism/misogyny and his belief that he owns people, like master. What’s worse is the huge part of the population that sees nothing wrong with this. She consented to this treatment about as much as Melania consented to do two or three more big speeches. > Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk What job? She was the 2004 pageant winner and this happened in 2011. What job, specifically, do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994/140 "2016-10-31T19:01:23Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > Maybe you’ve gone over this elsewhere, but I’d love to hear your reasoning here. > > Hillary has never been convicted of anything, and worst thing you can say about her is that she’s a fairly typical politician with privacy and sincerity issues. Her foreign policy, while bellicose, is not nearly the “bomb them all” that Trump’s is. > > Donald Trump, by the same evidentiary standards that are applied to Hillary’s misdeeds, has committed fraud (Trump U.), tax evasion (Trump Foundation), sexual assault (his own words and witnesses), spousal rape, adultery, very likely statutory rape (if the stories about the 1980’s sex and cocaine parties are to be believed), and has notoriously cheated contractors who were due payment. Those are all pretty sincere character flaws, but as a Presidential candidate, probably the most glaring flaw of all is that _he doesn’t do his homework_. He came to the debates woefully unprepared, spat out word salad, and lost badly each time. For most of his other character flaws, you could probably point to some other president with similar failings, so you could overlook the hideous character IF he were fit for the job. But he’s not. > > Someone who was “far worse” than Trump would have to perform human sacrifices in the Oval Office. So I’m interested in hearing your justifications here. Sorry I’m a bit late, but here it goes. Hilary, unlike almost anybody else, has an unbroken 30-year record (going back to the Whitewater debacle in Arkansas) of dishonesty that is at least a full order of magnitude worse than the average politician. Whenever anything, no matter how minor, comes up that needs explaining, she NEVER tells the truth. Her **very first** instinct is to lie, and lie, and keep on lying, even after enough information has come out to make her lies look ridiculous. She’s manipulative, opportunistic, and has absolutely no scruples whatsoever. She’s Machiavellian in the worst possible way, and she’s not smart enough to hide it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-of-trump-sexually-humiliating-woman-on-stage/769994.md?page=8)