# Vietnamese food **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 29, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511 "2011-08-29T16:56:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/1 "2011-08-29T16:56:41Z")
I mentioned bánh mì in another thread. Sadly, the cheap place for bánh mì is too far from the office for my lunch break. (I usually don’t have a car when I go into the office.) Fortunately, there are a couple of Vietnamese places nearby. One of them is so-so. (Actually, none compare to the ones in Orange County, back where I used to work.) The other one is better. In the past two weeks, I’ve had Vietnamese food six times – every day I’ve gone to the office. I’ve had bún thịt nướng chả giò (grilled pork and egg rolls with rice noodles, foliage, and fish sauce) a couple of times. (The ‘so-so place’ has better chả giò – egg rolls.) I tried the bún chả Hà Nội (Hanoi-style dish of grilled pork slices, pork patty, pickled kohlrabi, and green papaya served in mixed herb fish sauce – with the omni-present veg, of course). That was my fave in California. It’s OK up here. The bánh xèo (scallops, prawns, pork slices, shiitake mushroom, bean sprouts, and mung beans in fried rice batter topped with coconut milk served with green vegetable platter) was really good. Friday I had the bún đặc biệt. Bisically, đặc biệt means ‘with everything’. 😛 This one had skewered grilled pork and chicken, deep-fried egg rolls, grilled shrimp on sugarcane, and grilled prawns served with mixed herb fish sauce, plus the tear-it-up-yourself foliage. I wish I could find some cơm tay cầm. This is chicken and rice cooked in a clay pot. The place I got it in OC served it with quail’s eggs. Yum. Of course there’s nothing for a cold, rainy day like a bowl of phố đặc biệt – noodle soup with everything. I don’t care for the tripe, personally. I prefer the kind of tripe used in menudo. But with or without, it’s great. What are your favourite Vietnamese dishes? ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/2 "2011-08-29T17:12:44Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Of course there’s nothing for a cold, rainy day like a bowl of phố đặc biệt – noodle soup with everything. I don’t care for the tripe, personally. I prefer the kind of tripe used in menudo. But with or without, it’s great. I like it with rare beef, brisket and tendon – no tripe or beef balls for me, thanks. Then I add lots of hot sauce and I skip the brown sauce. Yum! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/3 "2011-08-29T17:14:19Z")
I like the rare (raw, when you put it in) beef better than the brisket, but I have both. Gotta have the beef balls. Love the tendon. ---
**Author:** ![ecoaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/85e7bf/32.png) [@ecoaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ecoaster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/4 "2011-08-29T17:27:00Z")
(from my time in Saigon) cafe sua da avocado shake Bo Tung Xeo banh xeo any fish dish in a pot cooked greens in any form ---
**Author:** ![Pine\_Fresh\_Scent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@Pine\_Fresh\_Scent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pine_Fresh_Scent)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/5 "2011-08-29T17:27:13Z")
Pho with raw beef is my favorite by a mile. Is there such a thing as bad pho, or is it like pizza which is pretty good even when it’s bad? I should try making it at home sometime. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/6 "2011-08-29T17:36:00Z")
> [@Pine\_Fresh\_Scent](#): > > Pho with raw beef is my favorite by a mile. Is there such a thing as bad pho, … I don’t think so. It’s everywhere, but it’s more a question of having all the ingredients, so it doesn’t get screwed up too often. Also: banh cuon–and the banh xeo **Johnny L.A.** mentioned, above. Sometimes I find an excuse just to go in a restaurant so I can take in the unmistakable and relaxing aromas. ---
**Author:** ![cuberdon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/45deac/32.png) [@cuberdon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuberdon)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/7 "2011-08-29T17:51:58Z")
I’m so-so about tendon and meatballs, but really like tripe that is thinly sliced so it looks like the noodles except crunchy. The sliced raw beef is good, but the various types of brisket: well done brisket, fatty brisket, well done fatty brisket, fatty flank, etc, are confusing. A side note, apparently pho with narrow noodles and a large plate of greenery on the side is more southern-style. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/8 "2011-08-29T17:59:33Z")
> [@Pine\_Fresh\_Scent](#): > > Pho with raw beef is my favorite by a mile. Is there such a thing as bad pho, or is it like pizza which is pretty good even when it’s bad? I’ve had some mediocre-to-poor pho at a restaurant run by Chinese owners. The beef wasn’t sliced nearly thin enough and the flavour of the soup was so-so. By the way, I also love the avocado shakes. My wife and I have season passes to a local amusement park (Canada’s Wonderland), and every time we go, we have the same meal afterwards: Cold spring rolls Medium “special” pho, for my wife Large rare beef, well-done brisket and tendon soup, for myself Avocado shake (occasionally we skip this part) ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/9 "2011-08-29T18:33:25Z")
Man, I’m impressed by your use of diacriticals! Đặc biệt actually means special, but you’re right, they often use it to mean “everything”, even though that’s usually thập cảm. Also, it’s phở, not phố, which means street. Everything else was perfect. My favorites, besides what you’ve mentioned already, are: Bún bò Huế – a spicy beef noodle soup from central VN Bún riêu – same noodles, but with crab and shrimp paste and tofu Nêm nướng Ninh Hoà – grilled ground pork, rolled up in rice paper with vegetables and dipped in sweet fish sauce Actually, there are so many. Maybe we can lure Johnny back down south and do a DopeFest in Little Saigon one of these days. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/10 "2011-08-29T18:46:56Z")
I can’t really give you the names of any Vietnamese dishes, but I can say we liked the cuisine of Hue, the old imperial capital in central Vietnam and whose food is renowned throughout Vietnam, the best, hands down. I seem to recall that one of the emperors fancied himself quite the connoisseur and created many dishes himself. What we’ve eaten in Hanoi comes in a good second place. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/11 "2011-08-29T18:58:53Z")
> [@Greg\_Charles](#): > > Man, I’m impressed by your use of diacriticals! Đặc biệt actually means special, but you’re right, they often use it to mean “everything”… I knew that, based on the menus, and should have said so for accuracy. But in usage, ‘special’ dishes are the ones that contain just about everything. > [@Greg\_Charles](#): > > Everything else was perfect. I don’t know how to make the special characters, so I just copy-and-paste the words. It’s easier that way. > [@Greg\_Charles](#): > > Bún bò Huế – a spicy beef noodle soup from central VN I haven’t been able to find that up here. No, wait – I think I had it once in Bellingham. But it’s not common here anyway, and of course it’s much less spicy. > [@Greg\_Charles](#): > > Maybe we can lure Johnny back down south and do a DopeFest in Little Saigon one of these days. Don’t count on it! 😛 Actually, I may come for a visit sometime. If I ever get my own plane I’ll need somewhere to go. And if there’s another dopefest the size of DopeTobergest 2001 (70+ people, IIRC) that would be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/12 "2011-08-29T20:09:34Z")
I guess I missed DopeTobergest, but I went to that one at the La Brea Tarpits, then Santa Monica. There must have been 30 or so at that … including you if I remember right. That must have been 2002 or 2003. If you get your own plane, fly down to San Diego and pick me up, and then we’ll head over to the real Saigon\*. (Better bring some extra fuel.) - Or Ha Noi, or Nha Trang, or Hue. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/13 "2011-08-29T20:51:42Z")
Yeah, i was at La Brea Tar Pits and the Paige Museum. **David Simmons** was there. There have been a few Dopefests in Santa Monica, at Ye Olde King’s Head. DopeToberFest 2001 threads: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=79371](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=79371) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=82259](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=82259) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=91329](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=91329) ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/14 "2011-08-29T22:05:57Z")
Right, Ye Old King’s Head. I’d forgotten that. I don’t see that I posted to those threads, so somehow I missed it. I did see that Esprix is still an active member here, which is cool. I’m going to have to look him up. Back on topic, have you tried mì quảng? It’s a noodle dish from Danang (Đà Nẵng), sort of like a soup but without broth. It’s very tasty if you can find someplace that makes it right. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/15 "2011-08-29T22:23:55Z")
If you people are all done with trying to impress us with your special character skilz, you can close this thread. Okay, I’m impressed. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/16 "2011-08-29T22:46:03Z")
**Greg Charles** : You didn’t used to be **Cowboy Greg** at one time, did you? ---
**Author:** ![teela\_brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@teela\_brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teela_brown)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/17 "2011-08-29T23:00:24Z")
Hey, I can’t use all those special characters, so bear with me. My latest favorite Vietnamese food is banh cuon, which are called “rice rolls” on the menu. They steam rice flour batter on a cloth stretched tautly over a boiling pot so that it forms a tender, glutinous sheet. Then they roll or fold it loosely around a filling, and the best filling is seasoned ground pork and shredded cloud ear mushrooms. The rolls have a pleasingly glutinous quality that’s hard to describe. A plateful of these garnished with slices of Vietnamese pate sausage and whole tempura’d shrimp and sweet potato shreds is the breakfast of champions. [Banh cuon](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kiCG6YlLF-0/Ta1Gv5z7ygI/AAAAAAAAABY/lzlWXNMMfTw/s1600/banhcuon.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/18 "2011-08-29T23:01:35Z")
Nope, Greg Charles from day 1. At the time I didn’t understand the concept of a handle, and in the ensuing dozen years, I’ve been too lazy to change it. ---
**Author:** ![cuberdon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/45deac/32.png) [@cuberdon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuberdon)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/19 "2011-08-29T23:20:04Z")
> [@teela\_brown](#): > > Hey, I can’t use all those special characters, so bear with me. > > My latest favorite Vietnamese food is banh cuon, which are called “rice rolls” on the menu. They steam rice flour batter on a cloth stretched tautly over a boiling pot so that it forms a tender, glutinous sheet. Then they roll or fold it loosely around a filling, and the best filling is seasoned ground pork and shredded cloud ear mushrooms. The rolls have a pleasingly glutinous quality that’s hard to describe. A plateful of these garnished with slices of Vietnamese pate sausage and whole tempura’d shrimp and sweet potato shreds is the breakfast of champions. > > [Banh cuon](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kiCG6YlLF-0/Ta1Gv5z7ygI/AAAAAAAAABY/lzlWXNMMfTw/s1600/banhcuon.jpg) In the SFBA, you can get something very similar for dim sum which, I am well aware, is Chinese not Vietnamese. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511/20 "2011-08-30T00:01:43Z")
> [@LouiseE](#): > > In the SFBA, you can get something very similar for dim sum which, I am well aware, is Chinese not Vietnamese. According to Wikipedia, [the Vietnamese version is based on the Chinese version](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_noodle_roll). (I’ve had the Chinese one many times, and it’s not my favourite dim sum item.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vietnamese-food/594511.md?page=2)