# Vikings in New Zealand **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [September 8, 2003, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185 "2003-09-08T00:28:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/141 "2013-04-02T02:07:21Z")
> [@LarryM](#): > > Those kuna indians are albinos. Much diffrent than having blue eyes. They have blue eyes. How exactly is that different from having blue eyes? > [@](#): > > Here is a photo of a girl I know whos parents have lived in Chachapoya and can trace their ancestors back at least 400 years. That’s sixteen generations. They have a record of all 65,000 ancestors they would have had back at that time? And of course, 400 years ago is still a century after the conquest. > [@](#): > > She was born with black hair, black eyes and dark skin. This is her when her eyes were starting to turn blue at 6 months. > > [http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac146/crappiewy/DSCN0458\_zpsfc98a567.jpg](http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac146/crappiewy/DSCN0458_zpsfc98a567.jpg) > > By the time she was 3 she looked completly european. Blue eyes and blond hair. > All of her relatives were inca in apearance. > > [http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac146/crappiewy/DSCN3307\_zps1a1475b8.jpg](http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac146/crappiewy/DSCN3307_zps1a1475b8.jpg) > > It was so bad that the husband demanded a dna test which was 99% positive that she was his kid. She doesn’t look anything like a Viking to me. She has high cheekbones and a broad nose. > [@LarryM](#): > > In peru places such as chachapoyas were not easy to get to. Still arent today. If it wasent for airplanes no one would go there today. People also kept good verbal records. It is not hard to trace your fammily because no one ever left the place. Everyone is your relative. Nobody keeps “good verbal records.” And because a place is hard to get to today doesn’t mean no Europeans have gotten there for the past 500 years. After all, you got there. > [@LarryM](#): > > The blue eyes and blond hair predate the spaniards. The spaniards came after the chachapoyas were assimilated by the incas. You’ve still provided exactly zero evidence that blue eyes and blond hair predate the Spanish. > [@LarryM](#): > > [Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos](http://voices.yahoo.com/ancient-european-races-world-show-places-9137681.html) Uh-huh. Your cite is a post on the Yahoo Contributors Network. Here are the academic credentials of your authority: > [@](#): > > I am a proud Navy wife and mom to one handsome little boy. I try to remain positive in life, always looking for the good in something bad. I have been writing my whole life and have finally decided that maybe it is time to share some of my work with someone other than my husband. > > I have lived in Oklahoma, Utah, Texas and California. > > I now live in San Diego, love parenting and am interested in anything that doesn’t quite fit into the paradigm of what we as a society are generally taught. I think it is always a good thing to think outside of the box. > > All that being said, you will see me write on a varying range of topics. UFO’s, parenting, local pieces and even true crime will probably be covered. Honestly, I will probably leave no stone unturned. Pretty impressive. > [@LarryM](#): > > Another thing. Chachapoyas mumified their dead. > Go take a look at the mummies from 1000 years ago. They have blond to redish blond hair. … > Ive seen many of them there and there is not a single one with black hair… > [http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/185226/view](http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/185226/view) First, it’s a common misconception that Amerindians have only black hair. Many have brown hair, as for example this [Embera Indian girl.](http://20deabril.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/indigenas-de-colombia-Embera4.jpg) Second, many mummies from around the world have reddish hair, regardless of what color they had when they started out. Hair pigments contain eumelanins, which give black/brown/yellow tints, and phaeomelanins, which give reddish tints. Eumelanins are less stable than phaeomelanins and degrade faster. The blackish colors fade, leaving the phaeomelanins which make the hair appear reddish. See for example the mummy of [Pharaoh Ramses II.](http://www.foxnews.com/images/242830/1_61_mummy_ramses.jpg) [QUOTE=LarryM] Look at the bone structure of the skulls. Do they it look asian like incas or european? [/QUOTE] The one you linked to looks clearly like an American Indian to me, due to the high cheekbones. It does not look European. As the Wiki article I linked to above says, Chachapoya remains show Amerindian characteristics like shovel-shaped incisors. May I ask where you obtained your anthropological training? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/142 "2013-04-02T02:08:48Z")
> [@LarryM](#): > > In peru places such as chachapoyas were not easy to get to. Still arent today. If it wasent for airplanes no one would go there today. Wait a minute. Vikings had airplanes? If not, how and why did they go there? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/143 "2013-04-02T02:24:13Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Wait a minute. Vikings had airplanes? If not, how and why did they go there? They went there for the gold the Spanish weren’t interested in, on feet that the Spanish didn’t have, silly. ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/144 "2013-04-02T02:46:40Z")
My family immigrated from northern Europe and so I know that the Vikings also colonized Antarctica in the year 800 A.D. They interbred with the indigenous penguin population to create the noble, majestic Emperor Penguin (it’s obvious, just LOOK at them.) ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/145 "2013-04-02T02:54:39Z")
> [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > My family immigrated from northern Europe and so I know that the Vikings also colonized Antarctica in the year 800 A.D. They interbred with the indigenous penguin population to create the noble, majestic Emperor Penguin (it’s obvious, just LOOK at them.) wins the thread. ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/146 "2013-04-02T03:04:30Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > wins the thread. Why thank you, I’ve never won a thread before! 🆒 I was also wondering why “Vikings” are supposed to be a bunch of Dolph Lundgren lookalikes in theories like this. Shouldn’t some of them look like Karl Rove or Bjork or Janet Reno? ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/147 "2013-04-02T08:05:37Z")
(Some) Englishmen can claim a Viking heritage, so there. ---
**Author:** ![Huvudtvatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Huvudtvatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huvudtvatt)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/148 "2013-04-02T09:40:25Z")
> [@LarryM](#): > > Things are being documented every day. Take a look at this article. > Newly discovered 2010. Chachapoya village. [archaeologydaily.com domain name is for sale. Inquire now.](http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news/201009165074/New-Chachapoyan-archaeological-site-discovered.html) > (Note the same Viking roundhouse design) What is this “Viking roundhouse design” you are talking about? A typical Viking house was big and rectangular and made of wood. I can’t recall ever hearing about a round stone house built by Vikings. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/149 "2013-04-02T13:01:12Z")
> [@LarryM](#): > > Things are being documented every day. Take a look at this article. > Newly discovered 2010. Chachapoya village. [archaeologydaily.com domain name is for sale. Inquire now.](http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news/201009165074/New-Chachapoyan-archaeological-site-discovered.html) > (Note the same Viking roundhouse design) However the locals have known about it forever. But as far as you know it has just been discovered. Just because someone hasn’t written about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. > I have many photos. Ill see what I can find that shows you what you want to know. > But if you really want to know. Just go. Im sure that you will just say the photos are photo shopped anyhow. So what is the point in my posting them? Can you quote where in that article they refer to “Vikings”? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/150 "2013-04-02T14:10:09Z")
Why isn’t anyone considering that blond haired blue eyed Maoris crossed the Pacific to South America, traveled inland to settle for a while, then crossed the rest of the continent and set sail across the Atlantic to eventually land and settle in Scandanavia becoming the Vikings? Seems obvious to me. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/151 "2013-04-02T17:01:00Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Why isn’t anyone considering that blond haired blue eyed Maoris crossed the Pacific to South America, traveled inland to settle for a while, then crossed the rest of the continent and set sail across the Atlantic to eventually land and settle in Scandanavia becoming the Vikings? Seems obvious to me. That was a prominent theory until recently. Thor Heyerdahl’s unknown twin brother Mhor built a raft from moss and sailed from South America to Iceland to prove it, but recent DNA analysis show no Maori DNA in any part of the Norwegian population. Well, except the face tattooed weirdos in Maoridal, but they could easily have immigrated here after Europeans (re)discovered New Zealand. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/152 "2013-04-02T17:05:29Z")
> [@naita](#): > > That was a prominent theory until recently. Thor Heyerdahl’s unknown twin brother Mhor built a raft from moss and sailed from South America to Iceland to prove it, but recent DNA analysis show no Maori DNA in any part of the Norwegian population. > > Well, except the face tattooed weirdos in Maoridal, but they could easily have immigrated here after Europeans (re)discovered New Zealand. To hell with pseudo-science like DNA (does anyone even know what that stands for anyway?). I say there is a ton of evidence. I’m sure you’ll find a cave in Norway that has the remains of a Maori longboat. There is scant evidence that Vikings had any horn helmets, even though everyone knows they wore them, but the horn helmet found in New Zealand is definite proof. And there’s no doubt that the Viking settlements in Minnesota, Kansas, and Utah are proof that they were on their way home back to New Zealand. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/153 "2013-04-02T17:40:29Z")
> [@Huvudtvatt](#): > > What is this “Viking roundhouse design” you are talking about? A typical Viking house was big and rectangular and made of wood. I can’t recall ever hearing about a round stone house built by Vikings. I suspect **LarryM** is thinking of Celtic stone roundhouses, which are fairly widespread. As you say the Vikings typically built rectangular houses, mainly out of wood. The fact that Chachapoya structures were round and built out of stone would in fact argue against them being influenced by Vikings (if that weren’t already so ridiculous on other grounds). Perhaps the Chachapoyas are actually descended from a wandering band of Irish monks. > [@Princhester](#): > > But then 400 years ago these places were so hard to get to that the Spanish can’t be an explanation for blue eyes in chachopoyas. The draw of gold and silver - which as I understand it the Spanish were more than a little interested in - wasn’t enough to cause them to make the journey. Indeed, even today these places are so hard to get to, no one would go if it weren’t for planes. > > Uh huh. Right. Yanno, when you have to completely contradict yourself to rationalise obvious flaws in your silly theory, you might want to start thinking about whether it’s time to give it up. Of course, the idea that the Chachapoyas were pale-skinned is based on the accounts of Spanish explorers who had contacted them by the mid 1500s, so it’s unequivocal that the Spanish have been capable of reaching the area for the past 400+ years. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/154 "2013-04-02T20:34:15Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > To hell with pseudo-science like DNA (does anyone even know what that stands for anyway?). I say there is a ton of evidence. I’m sure you’ll find a cave in Norway that has the remains of a Maori longboat. There is scant evidence that Vikings had any horn helmets, even though everyone knows they wore them, but the horn helmet found in New Zealand is definite proof. And there’s no doubt that the Viking settlements in Minnesota, Kansas, and Utah are proof that they were on their way home back to New Zealand. Around here it stands for Det Norske Arbeiderparti - The Norwegian Labor party. They ensure us we’re not descended from Maori. ---
**Author:** ![bluezooky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@bluezooky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluezooky)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2013, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/155 "2013-04-03T07:07:26Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yes, but what about the well known arrival of the Egyptians to New Zealand in 2200 BC? Never made it past Australia , I’ve seen the carvings with my own eyes ,must be true. > **[Australia - Egypt Connections](http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptaustralia.html)** ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/156 "2013-04-03T17:26:45Z")
Plus, I’m watching “The Vikings” on the THC, and I learned from that show that they didn’t know England existed. That proves they didn’t know New Zealand existed! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/157 "2013-04-03T17:42:24Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Plus, I’m watching “The Vikings” on the THC, and I learned from that show that they didn’t know England existed. That proves they didn’t know New Zealand existed! How about old Zeeland? ---
**Author:** ![Joe3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c67d28/32.png) [@Joe3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe3)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/158 "2013-04-04T00:14:27Z")
Kind of been following this. I studied this in school some years ago and had acess to Pedro Pizarro’s original manuscript called “Relation of the discovery and the conquest of the kingdoms of Peru” in spanish. It is in the Huntington library in Southern California. The passage that everyone misquotes is this. They considered themselves beautiful, and almost all the daughters of these Lords and orejones were so. The Indian women of the Guancas and Chachapoyas and Caflares were the common women, most of them being beautiful. The rest of the woman- hood of this kingdom were thick, neither beautiful nor ugly, but of medium good-looks. The people of this kingdom of Peru (Chachapoyas)were white, swarthy in colour, and among them the Lords and Ladies were whiter than Spaniards. I saw in this land an Indian woman and a child who would not stand out among white blonds. These people [of the upper class] say that they were the children of the idols. (Gods) Most of the quotes on the internet are incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/159 "2013-04-04T00:26:44Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > How about old Zeeland? Now you’re talkin’! ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vikings-in-new-zealand/200185/160 "2013-04-04T00:39:33Z")
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