# Villainous characters who truly love one other person **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 10, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959 "2008-09-10T16:25:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/81 "2008-09-12T23:12:22Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > One of my own favourite bits from an altogether tragically truncated series. _Brimstone_ was approximately one trillion times better than all the Ghost Whisperer clones combined. > Anyway, does Ernst Blofeld count? He sure loved that white fluffy cat. Cats are not persons. 'Cept for Thundercats, of course. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/82 "2008-09-12T23:13:21Z")
> [@Pazu](#): > > To continue in this vein (heh), I would assert that Lilah Morgan (of Wolfram & Hart) loved Wesley about as much as she was capable of loving anyone. Yeah, I agree with this. And at the time, Wesley _felt_ himself to be a villainous character (being outcast by Angel et al, keeping a woman locked up in his closet, etc) and I think, much to his horror, he loved her quite deeply, too. I think Angelus and Darla loved each other. Even when one left the other to be killed, they never held it against each other. Angel said he spent one hundred years looking for Darla, and it was clear that she was his obsession, even when souled. I know Angel and Buffy were supposed to have the Epic Love to End All Epic Love, but I think S2 and S3 of AtS demonstrate that even though there wasn’t anything _good_ about Angel(us)/Darla, they loved each other. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/83 "2008-09-13T00:04:05Z")
There’s something of a sub-genre in the movies of the “rampaging couple in love” – _Bonnie and Clyde_, Kit and Holly in _Badlands_, Mickey and Mallory in _Natural Born Killers_. I suppose it’s subjective whether any of these protagonists qualify as “villains”, but they all commit barbarous acts. ---
**Author:** ![want2know](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@want2know](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/want2know)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/84 "2008-09-13T00:30:32Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > Bester doesn’t just love his girlfriend, though - he’s a telepath “nationalist”, and he cares deeply for his fellow teeps. True, but when Ivanova asks him why he didn’t get her out of the “re-education facility”, he answers, “Because I don’t have that kind of authority!”, meaning that he would have if he could. He also describes his promise to take care of her as “the only promise I ever made that means a damn to me.” Sounds like it fits the OP to me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lucky\_13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucky_13/32/13209_2.png) [@Lucky\_13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucky_13)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/85 "2008-09-13T03:04:02Z")
In _Kim Possible_, Dr. Drakken and Shego are clearly attracted to each other, but don’t act on it for most of the series. I remember an episode in which Shego is taking a romance quiz in a magazine and asks Drakken a question from the quiz about what he’d do to get the attention of someone he likes, and he says something along the lines of, “I dunno, maybe use a mind-control device?” He had done exactly that to Shego in a previous episode. Also, he was acting rather jealous when Shego tutored Senor Senior Jr. on how to be evil. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/86 "2008-09-13T03:24:31Z")
> [@Lucky\_13](#): > > In _Kim Possible_, Dr. Drakken and Shego are clearly attracted to each other, but don’t act on it for most of the series. I remember an episode in which Shego is taking a romance quiz in a magazine and asks Drakken a question from the quiz about what he’d do to get the attention of someone he likes, and he says something along the lines of, “I dunno, maybe use a mind-control device?” He had done exactly that to Shego in a previous episode. Also, he was acting rather jealous when Shego tutored Senor Senior Jr. on how to be evil. Yeah, but doesn’t Sheego like Kim in at least three senses? ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/87 "2008-09-13T11:48:55Z")
“Buffalo Bill” from _Silence of the Lambs_ actually seemed to care about his dog. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/88 "2008-09-13T19:35:14Z")
> [@Ranchoth](#): > > “Buffalo Bill” from _Silence of the Lambs_ actually seemed to care about his dog. Dogs aren’t peope. Except Underdog. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/89 "2008-09-13T22:22:39Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Yeah, but doesn’t Sheego like Kim in at least three senses? Only in fan fiction. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/90 "2008-09-13T22:25:02Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > Only in fan fiction. I didn’t mean sexually. But it’s clear that Sheego enjoys fighting with Kim for its own sake, and that she respects her skills generally, and I seem to recall Sheego losing her memory due to some plot contrivance or other and becoming friends with her quite quickly and easily. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/91 "2008-09-14T02:30:34Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] Dogs aren’t peope. Except Underdog. [/QUOTE] Yeah, but really now, which would you count as being more of a “beast”—the tiny, fluffy, lovable little dog; or the guy who kidnaps and kills people to sew their skin into clothing? 😛 I gotta figure that, once you’ve got all the factors tabulated, those two actually come out about even on the “basic humanity” scale. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![alexandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@alexandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alexandra)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/92 "2008-09-14T13:03:14Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Severus Snape and Lily Potter (nee Evans). Based on the series as a whole Snape is not a villain. Certainly not a hero, or an unambiguously ‘good’ man, but not a villain. Bellatrix hearts Voldermort? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/93 "2008-09-14T17:25:55Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > And Dawn. And his mother. And Angelus. (But not Angel…he loathes Angel.) Well, he loves Dawn. He really likes Joyce. But Spike hates Angelus and Angel. Angelus is such a cocky, moronic, annoying vampire, Spike seems to wish he never existed. Angelus even tried to end the world, which makes no sense in Spike’s mind. He might hate Angelus more than Angel, actually. Oh, you mean his mother. You are right, of course. But he does like Joyce, too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/94 "2008-09-15T00:47:07Z")
Master & Blaster in “Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome” ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Tyger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Silver\_Tyger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Tyger)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/95 "2008-09-15T01:11:40Z")
Another one from Batman - R’as al Ghul and his daughter. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/96 "2008-09-15T01:16:05Z")
He doesn’t seem to care too much about Nyssa, and he’s currently at war with Talia (over his plans to take possession of her son’s body), so, I’m not really sure he counts. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/97 "2008-09-15T15:27:09Z")
> [@Silver Tyger Girl](#): > > Another one from Batman - R’as al Ghul and his daughter. Surely you jest. Ra’s became loveless at least half a dozen resurrections ago. I don’t think he even loved the Earth any more; he’s at least twice as evil as Lex Luthor. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/98 "2008-09-15T15:30:00Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Well, I was speaking of _fictional_ characters, as you might have inferred from the forum. 'Sides, we don’t know much about Adolph’s interior life; he may have wacked off every night to the fantasy of Eva being gang-raped by baboons and then fed to hippos, and was only waiting to have this done so that the moment of betraying her would be that much more amusing. I’ll be in ma’ bunk. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/99 "2008-09-15T15:33:46Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > I’ll be in ma’ bunk. Ew. Ew. Ew ew ew ew EEEEEEEWWWWWWW. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villainous-characters-who-truly-love-one-other-person/462959/100 "2008-09-15T15:37:35Z")
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