# Villains who reallllly needed killin' **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 16, 2006, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621 "2006-10-16T13:12:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/21 "2006-10-16T17:16:52Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] Nasty Ned Pepper in _True Grit_. Served him right for killing Mattie’s Pa back in Yell County. [/QUOTE] “I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man.” “Fill your hand, you son of a bitch!” Ah, yes. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/22 "2006-10-16T17:18:57Z")
Who’s that nasty Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher in _Harry Potter_, the one who looks like a toad and gave Harry lines to write with a pen that scratched them into the back of his hand until it bled? Oooh, what a horrid wee bitch. And I flat out _cheered_ when Fred and George pulled their final prank on her. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/23 "2006-10-16T17:19:55Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] Who’s that nasty Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher in _Harry Potter_, the one who looks like a toad and gave Harry lines to write with a pen that scratched them into the back of his hand until it bled? Oooh, what a horrid wee bitch. And I flat out _cheered_ when Fred and George pulled their final prank on her. [/QUOTE] Dolores Umbridge. And very much seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/24 "2006-10-16T17:27:04Z")
Frank Booth in _Blue Velvet_. Fuck you, you fucking fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/25 "2006-10-16T17:27:27Z")
[QUOTE=kaylasdad99] Oh, come on! He was a big meanie to the recruits! That’s gotta count for somethin’! [/QUOTE] Nah, he was doing his job. He was a tough drill instructor, but in that line of work, you have to be tough. Hell, if I ever bump into my old drill instructor, I’ll shake his hand and buy him a beer. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/26 "2006-10-16T17:29:58Z")
Maynard and Zed in _Pulp Fiction_. And everyone cheered when Richard Chamberlain’s character bit it in _The Towering Inferno_. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/27 "2006-10-16T17:34:47Z")
Do they have to have actually been killed or can we include those who are worthy of death but have escaped it? If the latter, an upopular choice but I’m going to go with The Joker. Over his career he’s killed thousands of people and shows no intention of stopping. Yes, I realize that without the Joker there is no Batman or whatever the current Jungian take on the characters is, but come on. The guy’s got a body count higher than some wars. He needs to be put down. If the former, then just ignore me. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/28 "2006-10-16T17:53:54Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Do they have to have actually been killed or can we include those who are worthy of death but have escaped it? If the latter, an upopular choice but I’m going to go with The Joker. Over his career he’s killed thousands of people and shows no intention of stopping. Yes, I realize that without the Joker there is no Batman or whatever the current Jungian take on the characters is, but come on. The guy’s got a body count higher than some wars. He needs to be put down. If the former, then just ignore me. [/QUOTE] While I agree with ya about the bodycount, remember that this thread is for villains whom we feel have no redeeming qualities whatsoever- ones we hate and just want to die. The Joker isn’t like that- not only can we completely understand his madness (okay, maybe not understand- sympathise with, maybe) based on things like Moore’s “The Killing Joke”, but he’s also just such fun to have around. The Joker’s the kinda guy you might want to have a drink with- as long as you weren’t concerned that it would probably be your last, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/29 "2006-10-16T18:01:47Z")
From Babylon 5, I nominate Lord Refa. Not only was he somebody that needed killing, but he went out in a memorable fashion…with music, even. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/30 "2006-10-16T18:26:30Z")
I know he probably wasn’t the worst character in the three movies but I couldn’t help but get a sense of perverse satisfaction when they snuffed that wife beating, traitorous, backstabbing, bullying, and (in the end) snivelling little bastard Carlo Rizzi in the first **Godfather**. I think it tells you something that in a movie filled with cold-blooded gangsters, thieves, and killers, he’s the one character you’re really pleased to see die a violent death. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/31 "2006-10-16T18:38:41Z")
**Bruce Dern** ’s character in [The Cowboys](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068421/). ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/32 "2006-10-16T19:11:27Z")
Ralph Cifaretto on _The Sopranos._ ---
**Author:** ![Risha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/33 "2006-10-16T19:24:22Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] Dolores Umbridge. And very much seconded. [/QUOTE] Thirded, but the Dursleys really need to be slapped around for awhile too. _Then_ killed. Their parts of the books always send me into a towering fury. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/34 "2006-10-16T19:29:57Z")
Jar Jar Binks ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/35 "2006-10-16T19:30:51Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] From Babylon 5, I nominate Lord Refa. Not only was he somebody that needed killing, but he went out in a memorable fashion…with music, even. [/QUOTE] Also from B5, Emperor Cartagia and Mr. Morden. ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/36 "2006-10-16T19:37:55Z")
Gul Dukat, from _Star Trek: Deep Space Nine_, was someone whose demise was greatly to be wished. For a while, he was in the “shades of grey” category, but as the series progressed, the grey darkened considerably. After he murdered Jadzia Dax, I was ready to see him go, preferably in an unpleasant manner. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/37 "2006-10-16T19:44:23Z")
[QUOTE=pinkfreud] For a while, he was in the “shades of grey” category, but as the series progressed, the grey darkened considerably. [/QUOTE] I very much wanted him to be the “Good Bad Guy” and take the role Damar did in _What You Leave Behind_ but alas, it was not to be. Such a really good character, wasted in that stupid Bajoran disguise. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/38 "2006-10-16T19:47:08Z")
Mr. Blonde from Reservoir Dogs. I nearly cried with relief when Orange shot his ass. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/39 "2006-10-16T19:47:55Z")
[QUOTE=Alessan] Not to mention- Gregor _MOTHER_fucking Clegane. The Mountain that Rides had absolutely no redeeming qualities - a perfect psychopath, without the subtlety and charm. It’s a shame he took the Red Viper with him, but man, what a horrible, well deserved death. [/QUOTE] You think that one is staying dead? There’s enough clues from Feast for Crows that I’m pretty sure he’s not staying dead. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2006, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/villains-who-reallllly-needed-killin/376621/40 "2006-10-16T19:48:38Z")
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