# Violent Religious Intolerance for Mundane Actions **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 8, 2010, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162 "2010-01-08T15:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/21 "2010-01-08T20:44:11Z")
At this point, I can’t take any protest in any Muslim country seriously, with a few very rare exceptions such as recent anti-government actions in Iran. It simply smacks too much of “organized spontaneity”. ---
**Author:** ![pan1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e495f1/32.png) [@pan1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pan1)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/22 "2010-01-08T22:12:58Z")
How can anyone even claim to understand how a Christian, from a religion that preaches turning the other cheek and peace, can use religion to defend killing anyone? Islam is very clear about what to do, how to do it and what to do to those who don’t and violence is a big part of it. I find it easier to understand how a Muslim gets worked up to a state of Jihad than a Christian gets worked up to a state of Crusade. Islam was founded in a state of war, basically in a state of Martial Law. Their rules reflect this. There’s no trick to understanding why they do what they do. As Argent Towers said: Lack of education + religious fanaticism = very dangerous. What we need is to fund groups of Hari-Krishna’s to go into the most impoverished, uneducated parts of the world and start spreading their religion. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/23 "2010-01-08T22:16:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I believe an anti-blasphemy law is being discussed in Ireland, so there’s that. It was implemented on January 1st. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/24 "2010-01-08T22:34:32Z")
> [@pan1](#): > > How can anyone even claim to understand how a Christian, from a religion that preaches turning the other cheek and peace, can use religion to defend killing anyone? Oh, please. The alleged peacefulness of Christianity has never gone beyond empty claims. It has enthusiastically called for and indulged in slaughter. > [@Could $30,000 a year prevent one crime?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-30-000-a-year-prevent-one-crime/524192/33): > > Islam is very clear about what to do, how to do it and what to do to those who don’t and violence is a big part of it. Just like Christianity has always been. Ruthlessness, intolerance, willful ignorance, aggression and brutality are intrinsic to the worldview of both religions; I see little to choose between them. By nature, both will always be a plague upon the world; an all consuming, all destroying cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/25 "2010-01-08T22:41:22Z")
> [@A.Selene](#): > > I would imagine that ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel are pretty well educated though. Well, they’re certainly much better educated on average than the typical poor Third World person. However, their educational system is largely separate from Israeli secular education, is heavily weighted toward study of Jewish scriptures, and apparently [isn’t working well for a significant minority of their students](http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443758976&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull): > [@](#): > > More than 30 percent of junior high and high school-aged haredi [ultra-Orthodox] youths are “hidden dropouts” who are technically registered in an educational framework but are dysfunctional students […] > > “A growing number of haredi teenagers are simply not functioning in educational frameworks and they are making up an increasingly growing fringe group within haredi society.” > > Sulimani said that few if any of these dropouts make their way into non-haredi education frameworks. […] > > “There is a constant demand on them to learn Torah and there are not other options. […]” Some of the (admittedly most extreme) cases sound like kind of a Hebrew equivalent of a radical _madrasa_ system: about 30% basic academic skills and about 70% militant fundamentalist religious indoctrination. I don’t know how strong a correlation there is between lack of secular education in particular and tendencies toward violent overreaction on mundane religious matters, but if it exists, it wouldn’t surprise me that it appears among ultra-Orthodox Israelis. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/26 "2010-01-08T22:52:50Z")
The 9-11 hijackers included engineers and doctors. It is possible to build a nuclear bomb while simultaneously believing martyrs will go straight to heaven. The human mind’s ability to compartmentalize is well documented. Hasn’t anyone ever met a logical thinking person who nonetheless takes horoscopes seriously? The best way to combat Islam is to attenuate it, to make it less virulent, to make it into a dull pablum. This took Christianity hundreds of years. I’m not sure what the solution is for Islam but I don’t think it’s bombing or euphemistic nation building. My guess? Westernize them. Everyone loves jeans, coke, rock and roll, and sex. Ruin them from within. Get the young ones. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/27 "2010-01-09T00:04:55Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, there are many examples of extremist ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel protesting (legal) actions by other entities that are contrary to Jewish practice, and some of those [can get violent](http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtStEng.jhtml?itemNo=1128058&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1&title='Jerusalem%20Haredim%20protest%20Shabbat%20opening%20of%20Intel%20plant'&dyn_server=172.20.5.5): > > There be crazy folks everywhere. Hehehe. So let me rephrase this : these guys chose not to observe Shabbat in order to protest against people not observing Shabbat. Did they end up stoning themselves ? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/28 "2010-01-09T01:28:21Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Hehehe. So let me rephrase this : these guys chose not to observe Shabbat in order to protest against people not observing Shabbat. Did they end up stoning themselves ? Actually, it appears that their consciences did trouble them about that aspect of the protests, and some have switched to [throwing rocks at policemen on Sundays instead](http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3826015,00.html): > [@](#): > > Some 1000 ultra-Orthodox protestors gathered Sunday evening near the industrial area in Jerusalem under heavy security. […] > > Two police officers were injured during the rally, one from a firecracker and the other from a stone hurled towards his direction. > > The demonstration was moved to Sunday pursuant to a decision reached by the Eda Haredit to start protesting on weekdays instead of on Shabbat. […] > > A substantial part of protestors came for the atmosphere. “Several hours ago the fast ended (the fast of the Tenth of Tevet) so we came here to unwind, to see some mess. […]” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/29 "2010-01-09T02:59:39Z")
After reading the story in the OP and then following up with a few others, it seems to me that it is hardly a “religious” issue, at all. It would appear that the government has been stirring up rather small numbers of people to raise hell about a non-issue in order to keep attention diverted away from the failures of the government. The whole “Allah” issue was totally ignored by all groups for the last many decades and only recently became an issue when the government created a rule to make it an issue. I don’t think we should ever give irresponsible governemnts any slack, regardless whether they are artificially creating “religious” issues or responding to attacks by getting the populace to approve invading uninvolved countries. ---
**Author:** ![manila](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@manila](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manila)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/30 "2010-01-09T03:46:45Z")
Is there anyone else who thinks that co-opting the use of the term Allah by the Catholics is just a ill thought out marketing ploy? Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet. Christianity is shrinking. To combat the losses to Islam in Africa the Catholic church, I understand, has recently changed a long held doctrine that unbaptised still borns will not actually get into heaven. No coincidence that with child mortality rates in Africa grieving parents turned to Islam who offered them some comfort by insisting that there was a place for their stillborns in their God’s heaven. I see attempting importing bibles using the word Allah instead of what they usually use as a new marketing technique to get a foot in the door. Can’t see it working in Malaysia as I believe its illegal for a muslim to convert to some other faith. I need to ask my Malaysian friends about this and get their take on it. ---
**Author:** ![Nametag](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nametag/32/406_2.png) [@Nametag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nametag)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/31 "2010-01-09T04:08:50Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Good post. > > I’d add a little background: While “Allah” has been coopted by Islam as the proper name for The Deity Whom Mohammed Proclaimed, the word itself means “the God” in Arabic, and in Malay tongues, which borrowed it, as well. (It’s believed to be a portmanteauing, according to proper Semitic word synthesis of _Al_, the definite article, with _ilah_, “god” in the generic sense (YHWH, Thor, Apollo, or Siva are examples of _ilah_ in Arabic.) > > I was told many years back by an American Antiochian Orthodox Christian that the proper form of address for God the Holy Trinity in Arabic (which his denominational church by and large spoke) was “Allah” – and that they had been using it in this sense since before Mohammed had his putative revelation. > > So: the proper usage in Arabic and in the Malay languages for the deity worshipped by monotheists in the Abrahamic tradition is Allah. This is what the Malaysian court held to, despite the objections of radical Islamicists in that country. Is there no native word for “god” in Malay? Not that I exactly disagree with this analysis, except that borrowing an Arabic word makes sense for Muslims, not so much for anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/32 "2010-01-09T04:09:35Z")
> [@manila](#): > > Is there anyone else who thinks that co-opting the use of the term Allah by the Catholics is just a ill thought out marketing ploy? […] > > I see attempting importing bibles using the word Allah instead of what they usually use as a new marketing technique to get a foot in the door. Oh boy, now I have to do a little rioting myself. Death to the ignorance! Death to the ignorance! The Arabic name “Allah” **IS** what Arabic-speaking Christians, as well as Arabic-speaking Muslims, usually use as the word for “God” in Arabic. It is also what Malay-speaking Christians in Malaysia traditionally use as the word for “God” in Malay; in fact, Malaysian Catholics were using “Allah” to mean “God” in the Malay language right up to 2007, when [a court said they couldn’t](http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1952497,00.html): > [@](#): > > The case arose after the Home Ministry prohibited the _Herald_, a Catholic monthly newsletter, from using _Allah_ for God in its Malay-language versions in 2007. “We have been using the word for decades in our Malay-language Bibles and without problems,” the Rev. Lawrence Andrew, editor of the Catholic publication, told TIME. In May 2008 the Catholics decided to take the matter to court for a judicial review — and won. “It is a landmark decision … fair and just,” says Andrew. During the intermittent trial in the closing months of 2008, lawyers for the Church argued that the word _Allah_ predated Islam and was commonly used by Copts, Jews and Christians to denote God in many parts of the world. They argued that _Allah_ is an Arabic word for God and used for “decades” by the Church in Malay-language Bibles and other publications in Malaysia and Indonesia. And they said that The _Herald_ uses the word _Allah_ for God to meet the needs of its Malay-speaking worshippers on the island of Borneo. “Some people have got the idea that we are out to convert [Muslims]; that’s not true,” the lawyers said on behalf of the Herald. > > Government lawyers countered that _Allah_ denotes the Muslim God, is accepted as such around the world and is exclusively for Muslims. They said that if Catholics were allowed to use _Allah_, Muslims would be “confused.” The confusion would worsen, they said, because Christianity practices a “trinity of gods” while Islam is “totally monotheistic.” They said the proper word for God in the Malay language is _Tuhan_ and not _Allah_. Judge Lau held that the constitution guarantees freedom of religion and speech and therefore Catholics can use the word _Allah_ to denote God. She also overturned the Home Ministry order prohibiting the _Herald_ from using the word. “The applicants have the right to use the word _Allah_ in the exercise of their rights to freedom of speech and expression,” she said. So your WAG that the Christian use of the Arabic term “Allah” for “God” in Malay publications is some kind of “new marketing technique” is totally inaccurate. Rather, it’s a practice that has been around for a long time and was prohibited only recently, as **tomndebb** noted, apparently as a ploy by the Malaysian government throwing a little red meat to its base. ---
**Author:** ![manila](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@manila](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manila)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/33 "2010-01-09T04:36:31Z")
Am always willing to have my ignorance’s ass spanked. ( as opposed to my ignorant ass ) Most of my Malay friends in KL are to a greater or lesser degree muslim. The xtian friends I have there are TEFL teachers and from Canada. I am atheist and really don’t have a dog in this fight. My understanding of the background to the current situation is that the bibles which were seized had newly used the term Allah. I have to admit that I don’t I don’t know whether these were printed in Malay ( although I would expect so ). I will need to research more and return to the debate at that time. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/34 "2010-01-09T05:22:53Z")
**Der Trihs** , it has been my experience that most Muslims, Christians, and atheists are generally peaceful. There are always exceptions. It’s a mistake to dwell on the exceptions to the point that we miss the less noticeable majority. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/35 "2010-01-09T05:58:02Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > It would appear that the government has been stirring up rather small numbers of people to raise hell about a non-issue in order to keep attention diverted away from the failures of the government. The whole “Allah” issue was totally ignored by all groups for the last many decades and only recently became an issue when the government created a rule to make it an issue. And that’s not the first time something like this has happened. These governments do little for their citizens and then try to get the people to blame Westerners and blasphemers for their problems. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/36 "2010-01-09T05:58:35Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **Der Trihs** , it has been my experience that most Muslims, Christians, and atheists are generally peaceful. There are always exceptions. It’s a mistake to dwell on the exceptions to the point that we miss the less noticeable majority. Personal violence is hardly the only reason I condemn religion. I doubt that most of the people who voted Hitler into power personally attacked any Jews; million of Jews were still killed. Religious violence in action ( despite the fact that many people like to pretend that Christianity was not a factor ). ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/37 "2010-01-09T06:09:37Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Oh boy, now I have to do a little rioting myself. Death to the ignorance! Death to the ignorance! > > The Arabic name “Allah” **IS** what Arabic-speaking Christians, as well as Arabic-speaking Muslims, usually use as the word for “God” in Arabic. > > It is also what Malay-speaking Christians in Malaysia traditionally use as the word for “God” in Malay; in fact, Malaysian Catholics were using “Allah” to mean “God” in the Malay language right up to 2007, when [a court said they couldn’t](http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1952497,00.html): > So your WAG that the Christian use of the Arabic term “Allah” for “God” in Malay publications is some kind of “new marketing technique” is totally inaccurate. Rather, it’s a practice that has been around for a long time and was prohibited only recently, as **tomndebb** noted, apparently as a ploy by the Malaysian government throwing a little red meat to its base. For what it’s worth, [here](http://www.christian-journey.com/bahasa-malaysia-bible/)’s one page (John 1) from a Malay language Bible in 1818, using Allah for God. (Yeah, it’s from a blog, but I think the point is clear.) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/38 "2010-01-09T06:13:23Z")
> [@manila](#): > > My understanding of the background to the current situation is that the bibles which were seized had newly used the term Allah. I have to admit that I don’t I don’t know whether these were printed in Malay All the news stories I’ve seen about it seem to agree that the confiscated Bibles are indeed in the Malay language, and that the usage of “Allah” to mean “God” is traditional and normal among Malaysian Christians and in Malay-language Bibles. [For instance](http://d.hatena.ne.jp/itunalily2/20091106), > [@](#): > > 4 November 2009 > > A Christian group in Malaysia Wednesday criticised the government’s confiscation of some 15,000 Malay-language Bibles which contain the word ‘Allah,’ or God in Arabic. > > In a statement, the Christian Federation of Malaysia (CFM) called for the immediate release of the Bibles, saying that withholding the holy books would be denying Malay-speaking believers the right to practise their faith […] > > Earlier this week, Christian groups said that the government seized 15,000 Bibles, most of which were to be sent to the eastern states of Sabah and Sarawak, where the Malay language is most commonly used among people of all religions. > > The CFM said in its statement Wednesday that the reason given by the authorities, which was that the Bibles were ‘prejudicial to public order’, was ridiculous and offensive. > > ‘Bibles in (Malay) have been used since before the independence of our country and have never been the cause of any public disorder,’ said Bishop Ng Moon Hing, chairman of the group. […] > > Church officials say the word “Allah” has been used for centuries to refer generally to God in both Indonesian and Malaysian languages, which are similar. Maybe this happens to be the first you personally have heard of “Allah” being used to refer to the Christian God in the Malay language, but AFAICT it’s by no means a new thing. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/39 "2010-01-09T06:49:33Z")
Oh, and in addition to **Polycarp** ’s very apposite cite, [here’s a link to an entire Malay New Testament from 1853](http://books.google.com/books?id=A2EtAAAAYAAJ) on Googlebooks. Its text of Matthew 2:12 begins > [@](#): > > Lalu diingatkan Allah akan marika itu dalam mimpi, bahwa jaganlah marika itu kumbali kapada Herodis lagi, […] Elsewhere in the news on the subject of violent religious intolerance for mundane actions, I found a 2007 report of [enraged Hindu-extremist protests](http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=22897) in Jharkhand, India, on a decision by the state government to reverse their recently-established policy of including religious affiliation on tribal caste certificates for individuals. They’re concerned that this measure is part of a sinister plot for a massive campaign of conversion of tribal and Hindu villagers to Christianity. (The reasoning seems to be that because a tribal caste certificate is a necessary document for benefiting from Indian affirmative-action policies directed toward traditionally disadvantaged groups, and Christian converts are sometimes denied tribal caste certificates on the grounds that they’ve forfeited their tribal identity, then if the certificates require a declaration of religious affiliation the churches will have a harder time converting people.) > [@](#): > > A tribal group affiliated with Hindu radicals is burning effigies of Cardinal Telesphore Toppo of Ranchi and political leaders in Jharkhand state. […] > > About 400 protesters marched on Jan. 25, in Ranchi, the state capital […] They burned effigies of the cardinal, Jharkhand Chief Minister Madhu Koda and Christian members of his government. […] Before burning effigies, they shouted, “Cardinal Toppo murdabad (dead).” […] > > Enos Ekka, a Protestant in the state Cabinet, pointed out that the protesters are able to gather only a few hundred people for their protests. Of course, there are also many much more extreme and violent Hindu-Christian clashes in India these days, but they seem to be motivated more by anger over real or alleged acts of actual aggression, from forced conversion to destruction of property to rioting, arson and outright murder. So they don’t fit the OP’s condition of intolerant responses to “mundane actions”. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162/40 "2010-01-09T08:24:46Z")
> [@A.Selene](#): > > To head one line of discussion off at the pass: I am aware of the bombing of abortion clinics by Christians, but see those in a different light (which in no way means I condone them). Well, some of the religious pro-lifers here in Minnesota are not all that educated, either. They once bombed a public library in St. Paul. Not because of any objection to the boos in the library, but because they got the address wrong – they were trying to bomb the Planned Parenthood clinic across the street. P.S. Maybe they should have gone to the library first, and checked out a book on bomb-making – their bomb was rather a dud, doing only minor damage to the building. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/violent-religious-intolerance-for-mundane-actions/524162.md?page=3)