Are corporations that donate to political campaigns also political organizations?
Lots of organizations, whose primary purpose is economic, donate money to politicians. But that’s not their purpose. Neither General Motors or the United Auto Workers are political organizations.
A political organization is something like the National Rifle Association or the American Association of Retired People. These are lobbying organizations whose primary cause is political.
I don’t think the government should get involved. There shouldn’t be laws requiring everyone has to join a union. And there shouldn’t be laws prohibiting closed shops either. Keep the government out of it and let people negotiate what’s to their best advantage.
If General Motors spent months laying the groundwork and had a campaign to elect ____, I’d probably call them political too.
I think of AFL-CIO as the lobbying arm of unions, much like the NRA-ILA is the lobbying arm of the NRA (you might find it surprising, but the NRA does other things besides lobby Congress, things like training, education, competitions, etc)
And let me go beyond this one issue to the broader topic: what are your views on conditions of employment? Do you oppose them in general? Do you feel people are entitled to work without having to accept any conditions of employment?
It’s interesting how they call this a “right to work law” whereas in fact it’s a “right to be unemployed or work at minimum wage with no benefits law”.
It’s really a right-to-work-without-being-forced-to-join-a-union law. I’m pretty sure they don’t actually outlaw benefits, or being paid more than the minimum wage. I base this on my personal experience of receiving both benefits and a salary above minimum wage in my right-to-work state.
Nope. Most people in right to work states who want to work can’t, and when they can, it’s at minimum wage without benefits
So you do support closed shops.
Surely a better solution is a level playing field. One where being a member of a union is neither a barrier nor condition of employment.
How does a ban on a closed shop prevent anyone from taking advantage of a union if they wish to do so?
Because a Union negotiates benefits and pay for all the employees. If the Union gets a 5% pay increase and a better Dental plan, for example, why shouldnt all the employees who benefit pay dues?
The only reason we have these laws is because Unions, traditionally support the Democrat party, and thus the GOP will do anything they can to undercut unions- such as bankrupting the USPS.
Having agreed conditions of employment are an excellent thing. I’m all for them in general. That’s what the original point of unions were. The ability of workers to organise and better their conditions of employment and strengthen their hand.
The test, as always, is one of reasonableness.
Making mandatory membership of a union a condition of employment is a backward step and unreasonable.
I also notice that in you previous comment you said
but don’t say anything about laws that give people the right to join a union, do you think government should stay out of that too?
If the union negotiated better terms for its members then surely that is attractive enough to make others join. Why on earth would you seek to mandate it?
If they choose to remain outside of the union and have a slightly worse contract or negotiate their own deal then how can that be a bad thing?
I appears that I’m the one advocating the greater freedom and liberty here and I’m from that notorious social experiment called Europe.
I dont think you understand how Unions and Union contracts work.
When a Union negotiates, it gets better pay for *all *(non-management) employees, not just their members.
Cite?
Are you saying that any improvements negotiated by the union legally have to be applied to all employees?
and are you of a mind to answer my previous questions?
That’s how it works.
"* Within broad legal boundaries, the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) has the authority to determine the size and scope of bargaining units for the private sector.[225] [226] [227] Per the NLRB:
Generally, the appropriateness of a bargaining unit is determined on the basis of a community of interest of the employees involved. Those who have the same or substantially similar interests concerning wages, hours, and working conditions are grouped together in a bargaining unit. In determining whether a proposed unit is appropriate, the following factors are also considered:
Which question?
Then the whole process is objectionable to me. In Europe you are free to belong to a union or not and you are free to negotiate your terms and conditions individually or collectively as you so wish.
You can’t be compelled to be a union member or pay union dues against your will.
“land of the free” apparently.
Those strings of words with question marks after them in my previous posts.
Upheld in favor of someone who wanted to join the union, against the employer in Norfolk Airport Authority v. Nordwall, 436 SE 2d 436 (Va 1993) where a fire-fighter with rank (supervisory captain) joined the union and was fired. ("…[n]o person shall be required by an employer to abstain or refrain from membership in any labor union or labor organization as a condition of employment or continuation of employment.") Va Code § 40.1-61 et seq.
And upheld in favor of someone who did NOT want to join the union against a contrary contract provision in Singleton v. International Association of Machinists, District 141, Local Lodge No. 1747, et al. 397 SE 2d 856 (Va 1990) where Eugene Singleton, an employee of Ogden Allied Aviation Services, was fired pursuant to the collection bargaining agreement between Ogden and the International Association of Machinists which purported to mandate that all Ogden’s employees be union members.
Then he sued. And won.
tl;dr: Yes, in 1990 and 1993.
You’re not compelled to be a union member at all. Just dont apply at a Union shop. But since you get better pay and benefits at a union shop, why wouldnt you want to?
You cant copy and paste? :rolleyes:You asked a lot of questions, some of which indicate you dont know how collective bargaining works.
Thank you, ** Bricker**. My hypothesis was that very recent court activity in VA had prompted a push for an amendment, but that does not appear to be the case.
I was wondering when this cliche would pop up. The sad thing is that this is used by real union supporters, not by people just pretending and trying make unions look bad: