# Virgowitch, stop being a Bastard **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2003, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311 "2003-01-17T21:16:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/61 "2003-01-23T19:18:07Z")
Close enough. “While I am not calling you a ‘mean spirited, narrow minded, rude, and ignorant baboon,’ since I do not know you as an individual, and wish to give you the benefit of the doubt, the posts you have chosen to make have given evidence that your stance is that of ‘a mean spirited, narrow minded, rude, and ignorant baboon.’ Kindly correct this misperception by having the common decency to _explain_ what you meant by your three posts consisting of nothing but ‘Ook, ook, ook.’” Better? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/62 "2003-01-23T19:20:55Z")
Or to quote the esteemed **Triskademus** : “While it remains possible that you are not actually a narrow minded idiot, thus far you are a complete substitute for one, until such time as a real narrow minded idiot comes along.” ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/63 "2003-01-23T19:22:54Z")
“Hello, my name is Bingo. I like to climb on things. Can I have a banana? Eek eek!” “I told you never trust a monkey!” Esprix ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/64 "2003-01-23T19:45:05Z")
😃 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/65 "2003-01-23T19:55:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Homebrew \* > \*\*Or to quote the esteemed **Triskademus** : > > “While it remains possible that you are not actually a narrow minded idiot, thus far you are a complete substitute for one, until such time as a real narrow minded idiot comes along.” \*\* That durn **Tris** always says things better than and before I do! 😃 ::: goes to look up whether “clarity of expression” is covered under the Tenth Commandment ::: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kallessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7993a0/32.png) [@Kallessa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kallessa)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/66 "2003-01-23T21:00:37Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Polycarp_ > > By my understanding of the Rede, then, it is doing harm to those to whom it is applied – as opposed to the parents, regarding whom you can have whatever opinion suits you. VirgoWitch has never claimed to be Wiccan, and not all witches believe in the Rede or in the Rule of Three, so we have no way of knowing if he is acting within the tenets of his religion. He is acting like a jerk, but that may even be in keeping with his religious beliefs, not all religions are fluffy bunny, either. Sorry about the hijack–the whole Wicca-Witch thing is one of my buttons, even though I’m neither Wiccan not a Witch. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/67 "2003-01-23T21:05:27Z")
Well, I’m glad to see the teeming millions know when to bury an expression! As for Virgo, I’ve spent too much time trying to convert people who enjoy bullying (yes, that’s what you are…a bully). There will always be the dregs of society and I will do my best to avoid the shit cloud that always seems to follow them. This guy is exactly the kind of person I raised my son not to be. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/68 "2003-01-23T21:10:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kallessa \* > \*\*VirgoWitch has never claimed to be Wiccan, and not all witches believe in the Rede or in the Rule of Three, so we have no way of knowing if he is acting within the tenets of his religion. He is acting like a jerk, but that may even be in keeping with his religious beliefs, not all religions are fluffy bunny, either. > > Sorry about the hijack–the whole Wicca-Witch thing is one of my buttons, even though I’m neither Wiccan not a Witch. \*\* **Kallessa** , Virgo said himself “for all of you who have problems with me being a Witch, take your broomsticks out of your asses and get over yourself.” I think that counts as claiming himself to be a Witch. And the Rede is pretty much the Witches Bible. To say that not all Witches believe in it is like saying not all Christians believe in the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![Witch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/258eb7/32.png) [@Witch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Witch)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/69 "2003-01-23T21:15:42Z")
Ooooooooh **lezlers** …uh uh. In most cases,yes. But we have no set dogma, and we are very proud of that fact. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/70 "2003-01-23T21:24:35Z")
**Witch** It’s the closest thing to a “bible” in the religion, thus my comparison. The actual practice of Withcraft pretty much revolves around it. I realize that no one dogma can be followed _exactly_ for every member of _any_ religion, but that doesn’t absolve it’s members of the responsibility. That’s like saying because there’s criminals in the world, no one should have to follow any laws. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/71 "2003-01-23T21:35:49Z")
I’m a Christian, but I don’t buy into that hippie “love your neighbor” crap. I’m a Jew, but the Law is for losers. I’m a Muslim, but the pillars are just metaphors. I’m a Scientologist, but the cans are hooey. From the ACW Statement on Witchcraft: > [@](#): > > Calling oneself “witch” does not make a witch - but neither does heredity itself, nor the collecting of titles, degrees and initiations. A witch seeks to control the forces within her/himself that makes life possible in order to live wisely and well without harm to others and in harmony with nature. What code _do_ you live by, **Virgowitch**? ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/72 "2003-01-23T21:41:05Z")
Also, as I understand it, the part of Wiccan Rede I cited, The Rule of Three is not a guideline for behaviour, but an explanation of the way the universe works. Actually, even this Christian has seen evidence which could back that, including in the way people respond on this board. By the way, is anyone else amused that a couple of Christians are citing the Wiccan Rede? 😉 CJ ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/73 "2003-01-23T21:44:10Z")
(Not when it’s you and Manyfishes.) ---
**Author:** ![Witch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/258eb7/32.png) [@Witch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Witch)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/74 "2003-01-23T22:03:39Z")
Well. _I’m_ amused cj 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/75 "2003-01-23T22:10:59Z")
I’m likin’ yous Christians. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Witch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/258eb7/32.png) [@Witch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Witch)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/76 "2003-01-23T22:39:07Z")
Hey…me too **lezlers**! I just want to make clear I think Virgowitches sentiments are reprehensible…for anyone. My only issue is as soon as someone sees “witch” in the username, it becomes all about the Rede and the Rule Of Three. I was led to believe the issue was his offensive use of the word bastard(among other boneheaded delights), and not how his spirituality or lack thereof comes into play here. It seems alot of threads go off topic this way, and alot of trainwrecks could be avoided by sticking to the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Kallessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7993a0/32.png) [@Kallessa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kallessa)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/77 "2003-01-23T23:07:40Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by lezlers_ > > Virgo said himself “for all of you who have problems with me being a Witch, take your broomsticks out of your asses and get over yourself.” > > I think that counts as claiming himself to be a Witch. I never said he wasn’t a witch, I said he didn’t claim to be Wiccan. The big difference between Wiccans and witches is that you do not have to be Wiccan to be a witch. I also know some Wiccans who don’t practice witchcraft, but that’s a whole other issue! Nor does a witch have to follow the Western witchcraft traditions, which is where I believe the Rede comes from. If your witchcraft comes from, say China or Peru, the Rede may be unknown. And there are people who practice evil witchcraft, specifically to cause harm–yes, it’s a perversion of witchcraft, just as Satanism is a perversion of Christianity, but it does exist. We only know that Virgowitch is a witch, we do not know enough to determine is he is working within the guidelines of his religion, or even if he considers being a witch to being part of a religion. ---
**Author:** ![Kallessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7993a0/32.png) [@Kallessa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kallessa)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/78 "2003-01-23T23:15:28Z")
I meant to add that I was just being long-winded in agreeing with **Witch** –the whole discussion of Virgowitch’s religion is beside the point and only came into the conversation because some people assumed they knew what he believed simply because he’s a witch. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/79 "2003-01-23T23:39:56Z")
Also, more generally, there are Christian assholes, there are Jewish assholes, and there are Muslim assholes. So, why wouldn’t there be Wiccan assholes? I think assholeness is ecumenical. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311/80 "2003-01-24T00:35:59Z")
Oh, no question about that. But again, if someone posts under the handle “CaliforniaChristian,” I would expect his to act as a Christian. Not by _my_ interpretation of what a Christian is, mind you, but by _his_. Similarly, if one claims to be a witch, I expect him to make an effort to act in accordance with his beliefs. I for one _don’t_ know what he believes. So, just as I would ask a Christian if hurtful words jive with his beliefs, I am asking **Virgowitch** if hurtful words jive with his. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/virgowitch-stop-being-a-bastard/149311.md?page=5)