# Vitriolic Songs **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 1, 2000, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557 "2000-12-01T09:47:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FloChi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58956e/32.png) [@FloChi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloChi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/1 "2000-12-01T09:47:30Z")
I’m just wondering how many vitriolic songs there are. The most that I know are in Heavy metal music, but this could just be a reflection of my musical tastes. Songs like Jimmy from **Tool** , and for the more obscure **Frenzal Rhomb** (You can’t move into my house, Ben, You are a Knob. etc) has a few and so do **Lok** (Some en hund, Skrubbsår) and **Mr Floppy** (Noonan, Witch, etc - the tshirt I wear proudly, only to provoke a reaction). I know that **John Lennon** wrote a song spewing forth bile at **Paul McCartney** , and that various comedians have written wongs likewise ( **Kevin Bloody Wilson** comes to mind). My friend was saying that **Alanis Morriset** qualifies, but I don’t think that she conveys enough emotion for it to be vitriol. Any vitriolic songs that have become popular that you know of? Any more to add? ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/2 "2000-12-01T09:51:01Z")
**Gordon Is A Moron** by Jilted John, classic '70s novelty punk record. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/3 "2000-12-01T12:09:35Z")
There’s a song on John Fogerty’s “Centerfield” album called “Vanz Kant Dance”. Original title was “Sanz Kant Dance”, but it had to be changed because of fears that former Creedence Clearwater Revival manager Saul Santz would sue. Seems Saul took John for a whole lot of money, and the song was a pretty serious slam. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/4 "2000-12-01T12:47:59Z")
I never expected to see a mention of **Kevin “Bloody” Wilson** here. Continuing the Australian theme, **Spiderbait** ’s _Buy me a Pony_ is a nasty dig at their own record company. Probably the meanest thing to do as a writer is to get singers to declare themselves to be a fool. Costello did this in reply to **Wendy James** ’ _Now Ain’t the Time For Your Tears_. The whole album seems to be about how clueless she is. ---
**Author:** ![rackensack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@rackensack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rackensack)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/5 "2000-12-01T13:14:14Z")
Graham Parker’s “Mercury Poisoning”, about his struggles with his record company, comes immediately to mind. ---
**Author:** ![lesa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/34f0e0/32.png) [@lesa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lesa)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/6 "2000-12-01T13:23:29Z")
Of course, it depends on what you consider vitriolic. Some songs I like feature someone screaming the lyrics, but the actual lyrics aren’t that vitriolic. (Perfect Drug by Nine Inch Nails features some screaming, but it’s pretty much a love song…I think.) Here are some songs with vitriolic lyrics. Some of them are sung in a pleasant or upbeat voice: Nine Inch Nails - Head Like A Hole, Star\*uckers Inc Ugly Kid Joe - (I hate) Everything About You Depeche Mode - Blasphemous Rumours, New Dress (“Jet airliner shot from sky / Famine horror, millions die / Earthquake terror figures rise”) Duran Duran - Drowning Man, Too Much Information (“Destroyed by MTV / I hate to bite the hand that feeds me”) The Cure - Never Enough, How Beautiful You Are (“You want to know why I hate you?”) Nitzer Ebb - Border Talk (“unless you’re the diplomatically immunised / you’re someone to be scrutinized / by governments in arms not opened nearly / as wide as their mouths, blabbing / about freedom”) Erasure - 2000 Miles (“I’m glad you won’t be coming back / I need to be at least 2,000 miles away from you”) Poe - Angry Johnny (a woman singing in a lovely voice, about different ways to murder Johnny - “I can do it in the water / I can do on dry land /I can do it with instruments / I can do it with my own bare hands”) Rage Against The Machine seems to have some pretty angry songs. And of course, there are a lot of Rap songs filled with rage. ---
**Author:** ![FloChi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58956e/32.png) [@FloChi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloChi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/7 "2000-12-01T13:24:03Z")
Now, have any of these been successful? “Buy me a pony” was quite successful, and “Bloody” Wilson’s “Hey Santa Claus” was a huge hit at school. I have actually met non-Australians who have heard of him too, picmr. (and say, you picked up on Wilson, but not Frenzal Rhomb or Mr Floppy?) ---
**Author:** ![FloChi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58956e/32.png) [@FloChi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloChi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/8 "2000-12-01T13:29:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lesa \* > \*\*Rage Against The Machine seems to have some pretty angry songs. And of course, there are a lot of Rap songs filled with rage. > \*\* Just because the singer is angry, doesn’t mean that they are vitriolic. It could just be anger, or singing style. Rage is not vitriol. Vitriol is something distilled into a cold pent up loathing and spat at someone. And I would say that Perfect Drug is a love song. And I would disagree that Blasphemous rumours is vitriolic. It is just discussing some religious issues. ---
**Author:** ![Why\_A\_Duck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Why\_A\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Why_A_Duck)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/9 "2000-12-01T13:36:01Z")
Might I suggest: [li] **Queen** - Death on Two Legs[/li][li] **Sugar** - The Slim[/li] **Rollins Band** - Just Like You ---
**Author:** ![lesa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/34f0e0/32.png) [@lesa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lesa)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/10 "2000-12-01T13:42:30Z")
I used Blashpemous Rumours as an example because it is a very bitter song about suicide and death. Like I said, it’s all in how you define “vitriolic.” So, are you just fond of these kinds of songs, or do you have a specific reason for asking? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/11 "2000-12-01T13:46:55Z")
Oh. I thought this was a thread for old records that are played on a _Vict **ri** ola_! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/12 "2000-12-01T13:51:39Z")
Does Bonnie Tyler’s **Total Eclipse of the Heart** qualify as vitrol? She loud and the lyrics are so overwrought with emotions as to be silly. I love this song. I sing it at the top of my voice and I annoy my whole family with it. I now return this thread back to the 1990’s. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/13 "2000-12-01T13:57:49Z")
> [@](#): > > _Posted by FloChi_ > (and say, you picked up on Wilson, but not Frenzal Rhomb or Mr Floppy?) I mentioned KBW because he’s shocking. Frenzal Rhomb are ok and I have fond memories of Mr Floppy. The last time I saw them was when our band bus passed their’s and they flashed brown eyes. Aah memories. To mention another anti-music industry song **Warren Zevon** ’s _Even a Dog Can Shake Hands_. OOh and his classic reply to Sweet Home Alabama, _Play It All Night Long_. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/14 "2000-12-01T14:37:28Z")
**"You’re So Vain"** by **Carly Simon** leaps to mind. (And is it true that song was written about Warren Beatty?) Also, **Margaret Thatcher** inspired a lot of vitriol among British acts when she was Prime Minister. Examples: **“Margaret on a Guillotine”** by **Morrissey** (self-explanatory) and **“Tramp the Dirt Down”** by **Elvis Costello** , wherein he sings about dancing on Ms. Thatcher’s grave. Neither of those songs got a lot of airplay, though. ---
**Author:** ![lesa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/34f0e0/32.png) [@lesa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lesa)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/15 "2000-12-01T14:43:31Z")
Reminds me - Anarchy In The UK and God Save The Queen by The Sex Pistols ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/16 "2000-12-01T14:44:07Z")
**Tramp the Dirt Down** is usually where I have to pause the album **Spike** and take a rest. Great record, but hard to listen to. The first time I’m in the UK after she dies I’ll be visiting Thatcher’s grave. ---
**Author:** ![RocknRoll\_Killing\_Machine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5daacb/32.png) [@RocknRoll\_Killing\_Machine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RocknRoll_Killing_Machine)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/17 "2000-12-01T14:59:26Z")
Hooker with a Penis - Tool Bad Town - Operation Ivy Lagwagon - Lagwagon New Noise - Refused ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/18 "2000-12-01T15:03:52Z")
Oh yeah, and how about **“Hound Dog”** by **Elvis Presley**? And speaking of **Sweet Home Alabama** , that song packs a bit of vitriol itself: > [@](#): > > Well I heard Mr. Young sing about her; > I heard old Neil put her down; > Well, I hope Mr. Young will remember; > A Southern man don’t need him around, anyhow! This was of course a response to **Neil Young** ’s own bit of vitriol, **“Southern Man”**. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/19 "2000-12-01T15:18:11Z")
Dammit, **spoke-** , ya beat me to it. I’ll just have to step back a few posts and point out, in good pedantic-old-fart style, that the Lennon song that excoriated McCartney was “How Do You Sleep.” And also mention the Grand Master of the Vitriol Songs, Bob Dylan’s “Positively Fourth Street.” \*I wish that for just one time You could stand inside my shoes And just for that one moment I could be you I wish that for just one time You could stand inside my shoes You’d know what a drag it is To see you\* Okay, so it doesn’t look that mean and nasty on the page. But trust me, kids, it’s all in the delivery…when you hear it you can FEEL how much he hates her… ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2000, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557/20 "2000-12-01T15:40:49Z")
[doing her Bee Palmer shimmy-shawobble] "I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you! I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you! I’ll be singin’ ‘hi-di-hi!’ when they drag your body by— I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you! Oh, I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you! I’ll be tickled to death when you leave this earth, you know! When you’re layin’ in your grave, no more blonde women will you crave— I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you! I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you! I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you dirty dawg! What is it that you got, made me think you were so hot? I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you!" [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vitriolic-songs/43557.md?page=2)