# Vive Charlie Hebro! French mag publishes naked Muhammad cartoons **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2012, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160 "2012-09-19T12:42:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/181 "2012-09-23T00:24:54Z")
> [@kwimby](#): > > Don’t forget kiling them - that’s the important part! As your brief time on this board nears its close, have you given any thought to how you’d like to spend the rest of your life? More specifically: have you learned any lessons from the countless mistakes and failures that led you to this point, that may yet redeem you as a human being over the handful of air-sucking years you have left? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/182 "2012-09-23T01:22:55Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > And 1794 is not 1801. 1801 would be when the first frigates arrived on the shooores of Tripoliiii and officially started mucking about with the region. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/183 "2012-09-23T03:22:42Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > So Islam is the only religion immune to parody, simply because they don’t like it? > > Nobody wants their icons to be insulted, but it is going to happen. But only one religion _regularly_ kicks up a shitstorm whenever it happens. Hell, a shitstorm would be relatively harmless. These extremist Muslim dickheads destroy shit and kill people over it. And it’s not unnecessary provocation. They’re essentially trying to intimidate the West into not printing things that they don’t like by acting like some kind of unholy combination of toddlers and huge bullies with molotov cocktails. Printing the comics and a bunch of stuff like them is a big middle finger to them, but not because we hate Islam or we hate Muslims, but because we hold freedom of speech dear, and we’re saying fuck you to them for trying to intimidate our exercise of that right. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/184 "2012-09-23T03:41:45Z")
Not that long ago, we invaded a Muslim country for no good reason, and killed thousands of their co-religionists. Do you recall any apologies, any remorse, any acts of contrition? And here we are, delivering sanctimonious lectures on how civilized people are supposed to behave, how other people’s rights must be carefully preserved. They have a point. I wish they didn’t, but they do. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/185 "2012-09-23T05:53:27Z")
I don’t know if there’s a word for this, but my theory is that if you repeat an insult over and over, each iteration becomes less and less potent. A muslim cannot become twice as angry in response to 2 depictions of Muhammed, let alone a million times as angry if there were a million YouTube videos and newspaper cartoons. At some point they become background noise and “outrage fatigue” sets in. We’re a long way from that point, however. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/186 "2012-09-23T06:42:15Z")
Ordinary people might feel “outrage fatigue” but it isn’t ordinary Muslims who are committing violent acts. Crazy people of any religious stripe thrive on outrage. Everyday Muslim outrage looks more like this: > **[Avaaz - The World In Action](https://secure.avaaz.org/page/en/)** > > Check out this amazing movement to create a better world -- www.avaaz.org ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/187 "2012-09-23T11:27:49Z")
And the bidding starts at $100,000 by the Honourable Minister of Railways from Pakistan. At least if someone has to die for the right to shit on others (which is rediculous), this might help (also rediculous) it be the one responsible as opposed to some poor bastards half a world away who were just peaceably doing their jobs. Fuck them all. Fuck the ones who go out of their way to antagonize. Fuck the ones who over-react by killing. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/188 "2012-09-23T13:53:26Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > At least if someone has to die for the right to shit on others (which is rediculous), this might help (also rediculous) it be the one responsible as opposed to some poor bastards half a world away who were just peaceably doing their jobs. > > Fuck them all. Fuck the ones who go out of their way to antagonize. Fuck the ones who over-react by killing. No, fuck the ones who think it’s OK as long as it’s the film-maker that gets killed and who would be quite content with the chilling effect that would have on the freedom to speak your mind about any religion. The guy made a film making fun of Mohammad. Big fucking deal. The day we can’t do that, for whatever reason, is a day we should all hope never comes, although I guess you’d be leading the cheering section on that day. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/189 "2012-09-23T14:25:04Z")
Innocents should not die due to other person’s fights. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/190 "2012-09-23T18:32:53Z")
Well, you know, they aren’t quite as civilized as we are, they don’t have the respect for human life that we do. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/191 "2012-09-23T20:23:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yes, just like that, except that neither of those works of art you mentioned were intended as “fuck yous” to Christians. But other than that, you’re spot on. > > Oh, also, I never said it was okay to piss on Christians, in that post, or (I’m fairly certain) any other post I’ve ever made on this message board. > > But nice try at a tu quoque, you knuckle-dragging racist shit stain. Charlie has been collecting fuck yous to Christian for a very long time. They’re quite anti-clerical and have done anti-Muslim cartoons in the past. I bought that last issue (and I hadn’t bought Charlie in years but used to be a very devout reader of it in the past), and regarding the quality, it is one of their best issues in a long while. The cartoons posted by Vinyl are not the best of the issue, there’s a few really good ones inside, and they completely separate themselves from people like the director of “The innocence of Islam”, in fact they bash that trend as vigorously. Maybe it is irresponsible of them, but they have always been irresponsible, WITH EVERYBODY. Asking them to stop now because some worked up zealots\* might take it badly is freaking inane. As it’s been noted they already were the target and victim of a fundamentalist attack, and yet certainly aren’t of the same race of people that use Muslim bashing to disguise Darkie bashing. \*if I may remind you, the whole “Innocence of Mohamed” outrage is one of the best examples of a completely manufactured and microwaved outrage. Catering to that crowd serves nothing. It doesn’t calm anything, it just makes it the next point from which to kneel even lower when another fake outrage comes out. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/192 "2012-09-24T14:00:49Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > For people like **Enkel** , **aruvqan** and any other member of the short-sighted take-my-ball-and-go-home school of diplomacy…this is why you stay engaged: > > [Libyans storm Ansar Al-Shariah compound in backlash after attack on US Consulate](http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/21/libyans-storm-ansar-al-sharia-compound-in-backlash-attack-on-us-consulate/) Well, It seems that the answer to Crazy Muslim opposition to free speech isn’t more free speech after all. It’s a large, angry mob. Good on them. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/193 "2012-09-24T14:09:22Z")
Oh, I thought I posted [Ordinary Muslim Man](http://www.quickmeme.com/Ordinary-Muslim-Man/) here. Guess not. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/194 "2012-09-24T14:16:33Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Oh, I thought I posted [Ordinary Muslim Man](http://www.quickmeme.com/Ordinary-Muslim-Man/) here. Guess not. You did. Get back to us when they do a Mohammed version. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/195 "2012-09-24T14:52:29Z")
Many Muslims have been instrumental in preventing terrorism here in the US. People would say “Who was that mosqued man, I wanted to thank him!” ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/196 "2012-09-25T14:15:20Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > You did. Which post? (Other than the one you quoted of course). I could have sworn I posted it earlier, but searching for my username I can’t find it in any of my prior posts. ---
**Author:** ![Bouncer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bouncer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bouncer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/197 "2012-09-25T16:06:33Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I mean, I see what you’re saying, I really do…but some Muslims don’t really need an excuse to hate America or the West in general…but we are giving them one in the name of free speech when we already have free speech and we and they know it. It’s not that we are “giving” them anything. They are deliberately choosing to take offense as an excuse for actions they plan on taking _anyways_. The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi was a _planned_, co-ordinated, complex attack involving multiple elements. It was never something that was just whipped up in a moment of frenzy. They used surveillance, pre-planned points of attack, a multiple pronged attack and a secondary attack on a fallback location. The point being, they would’ve found any reason to use as cover. The youtube video had been out since JULY. They could’ve pointed to a picture of kittens on the internet as their reason for attack the consulate. It’s as likely as anything else. You’re never, ever, going to be able to stop people from using excuses to cover their acts. And they’re not going to admit their real reason for attacking the consulate, which is that it was a intra-militia local political power play that went out of control. The goal was to do some damage and show everyone that they were the local bad-asses willing to attack the USA and therefore had to be listened to. When they realized what they’d actually done, they disavowed any knowledge of the attack they’d just perpetrated (how insane is that), but by that point, other local political elements were using the attack, and the death of the very popular Ambassador, against them. The youtube video had diddly-squat to do with it. Just so, if some militia or politician dials 1-800-rent-a-mob and uses these cartoons as a reason to make a speech and remind everyone of how important he is and how he and Allah are like totally the BFFs to end all BFFs, then that’s NOT the fault of the cartoons. That’s the fault of the local douchebag who is using them as an excuse for some action he has planned anyways. Regards, -Bouncer- ---
**Author:** ![Bouncer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bouncer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bouncer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/198 "2012-09-25T16:18:17Z")
And I forgot to add the following: Finally, I think the French gov’t actions, by closing down Embassies, are a bit more sophisticated and multi-level. On the one hand, they are acting to protect their peeps, and that’s a good thing. They are also effectively offering a snub to the local governments, in effect saying: “Clearly you can’t protect our missions or uphold your responsibilities to the Diplomatic staffs in your country. That implies that perhaps we shouldn’t be dealing with you so much, but with whoever it is that has the authority to command mobs to appear. Do you happen to have their phone number, cause we’re going to start taking their meetings instead of yours if you can’t get your shit under control.” That’s probably not verbatim, but it’s not a missed thing that they closed Embassies in twenty different countries all over the ME. That’s not a message to the mobs, it’s a message to the gov’ts. Regards, -Bouncer- ---
**Author:** ![Reepicheep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@Reepicheep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reepicheep)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/199 "2012-09-26T23:19:36Z")
A newspaper in Cairo is fighting fire with fire – or in this case [cartoons with cartoons](http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_21636021/egypt-newspaper-fights-cartoons-cartoons). Wonderful reaction on the part of Al Watan. ---
**Author:** ![Bamboo\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@Bamboo\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bamboo_Boy)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160/200 "2012-09-27T20:42:36Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I think I’ll go spread a big American flag on the sidewalk and take a massive shit in the middle of it. Then I’ll set it on fire. I’m quite sure that my American compatriots will stand back approving of my forceful expression of the right to free speech. Right? Yawn. I really wouldn’t care. I’m American. And I certainly would not be to incited to violence. Call me what you will. -BB [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vive-charlie-hebro-french-mag-publishes-naked-muhammad-cartoons/635160.md?page=11)