# Vivek Ramaswamy **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 30, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352 "2023-08-30T15:30:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/41 "2023-08-30T21:08:56Z")
I wasn’t trying to defend Vivek’s behavior here. That is an entirely separate issue. In fact all of the shadiness happened before the phase three trial even started. I was just posting an ignorance fighting correction of the specific assertion that having people from the company on the paper reporting the results of the trial was a red flag. Now as to what Vivek could have done, is to fudge the results in the one of the early trials which are less carefully audited since they aren’t going to be the ones that are going to be used in the final determination of whether or not to approve the drug. Also the drug companies have a long term interest in getting the actually factually right answer in those early trials because even though they might help the stock price short term, if they are fooling themselves and the drug is not good, then they are going to run an expensive trial that is going to prove that its no good and their stock would tank. so it would be a stupid thing to do unless they were just concerned about short term gains and sold their stock before the phase three trial… > [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > so I don’t know if it would apply to foreknowledge of clinical trial outcomes. Trading on the basis of unpublished foreknowledge of clinical trial outcomes is pretty much the very definition of insider trading and so would be a definite no no. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/42 "2023-08-30T21:10:19Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I do like his stance on Taiwan. > [@Omar\_Little](#): > > [Vivek Ramaswamy defends positions on Ukraine and Taiwan ](https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/vivek-ramaswamy-defends-positions-ukraine-taiwan-rcna102408) > > “During a campaign stop in Iowa last weekend, Ramaswamy said, “I’m clear, we will defend Taiwan, at least until we have achieved semiconductor independence in this country, at which point we will reevaluate.”” For a self-annointed expert in foreign affairs of long standing he would seem to have a tin ear. The old “The US does not have a foreign policy position, but does have a global domestic policy position.” gambit. “We will maintain our treaty obligations until we have taken the loot, then we throw them to the wolves to save our loot.” A play right out of the robber barons playbook. Endearing. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/43 "2023-08-30T21:10:43Z")
Remind me again how many years Ramaswamy himself spent serving in the military? I’m going to go look it up, but first, I want to lay my bet on “zero”. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/44 "2023-08-30T21:12:14Z")
OK, what do I win? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/45 "2023-08-30T21:35:38Z")
They also serve who stand and bleat. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/46 "2023-08-30T22:51:10Z")
With this nonsense… > I think it is legitimate to say how many police, how many federal agents, were on the planes that hit the Twin Towers," he said. "Maybe the answer is zero. It probably is zero for all I know, right? … he can fuck right off. ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/47 "2023-08-30T23:06:13Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I’m thinking his last name needs to be Ramasmarmy." Ramaslimey Dan ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/48 "2023-08-30T23:25:33Z")
He also thinks the VP can push legislation through the Senate as its President. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/49 "2023-08-31T01:14:10Z")
Has Vivisect produced his long form birth certificate yet? ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/50 "2023-08-31T01:21:02Z")
> [@slicedalone](#): > > > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > > > Vivek has a new bit on his website where he calls Nikki Haley “Nimarata Randhaw” > > Hey, if I gotta bear my tongue-twister of a name, and sell it to the xenophobe party, then so does she! Fair’s fair! > Conservatives have this weird attitude towards names, being very concerned if it looks like someone changed their name to appear less ethnic, I knew Nikki Randhawa when we were kids, and she was always ‘Nikki’ to everybody. She was such a shy, quiet, sweet girl. So she changed her personality, but not her name. Lol ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/51 "2023-08-31T01:32:12Z")
I also saw #44 referred to as 0bummer. Yes, that’s a zero. Here’s this controversial cartoon, once again. I for one didn’t know it contained a slur. > **[Newspaper Apologizes for Editorial Cartoon, Bans Cartoonist from Their Pages...](https://www.dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2023/06/24/newspaper-apologizes-for-editorial-cartoon-bans-cartoonist-from-their-pages/)** > > On Wednesday The Quad City Times published a cartoon by Leo Kelly taking a swipe at MAGA racism, but the cartoon invoked a Simpsons character whose name has become offensive to many and so the tables were turned with the newspaper and the cartoonist... ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/52 "2023-08-31T01:34:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Does he really believe this stuff, or is it the preferred Republican method to run a political campaign on insult, exaggeration and lies? The answer is “yes”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/53 "2023-08-31T01:35:03Z")
Could you clarify that answer? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/54 "2023-08-31T01:35:35Z")
I’m afraid not. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/55 "2023-08-31T01:36:10Z")
Well, darn it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/56 "2023-08-31T01:40:18Z")
Wait, the cartoonist says that Republicans are saying racist things, and it’s the cartoonist who gets fired for this? ---
**Author:** ![Digger11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@Digger11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digger11)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/57 "2023-08-31T01:59:50Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > They also serve who stand and bleat. Consider this post “liked.” ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/58 "2023-08-31T02:23:45Z")
What a stupid cartoon. Everybody knows Slushees are self-serve. What he should have yelled was, “Thank you, come again!” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/59 "2023-08-31T02:31:38Z")
It’s because the racist language was in the cartoon itself. Sure, you can point out that the point was to portray such language as negative, and it wasn’t **endorsing** it, but rather condemning and mocking it. But regardless, people are going to be offended by it, and it’s not in a paper’s best interest to offend its readers, as they’re likely to stop reading. I support what the cartoonist was trying to say, but putting an actual slur in the cartoon is a bit past what’s normal for a cartoon. > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Everybody knows Slushees are self-serve. Not in the Kwik-E-Mart. I do recall an episode where Bart and Millhouse demanded an “all-syrup slushie”, and Apu objected because “such a thing has not been done before”. He did it anyway and made it himself, as the machine shuddered with the effort. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352/60 "2023-08-31T02:40:45Z")
As long as we’re nitpicking, the Kwik-E-Mart sells _Squishees_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vivek-ramaswamy/989352.md?page=4)