# Voicing limited and qualified agreement with a bigoted stereotype **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 31, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561 "2025-07-31T21:36:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/281 "2025-08-18T17:24:55Z")
No, detractors of the second will bring it up in response to the first. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/282 "2025-08-18T17:27:12Z")
Have we arrived at the ‘You’re the bigot because you know all the bigot dog-whistles!’ part of the thread? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/283 "2025-08-18T17:33:15Z")
_What_ a poster says, _how_ they say it, and any known, relevant posting history will always be factors. _At least_ two of those are 100% within a given poster’s control. I think that is pertinent to your question. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/284 "2025-08-18T17:39:09Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > _What_ a poster says, _how_ they say it, and any known, relevant posting history will always be factors. > > _At least_ two of those are 100% within a given poster’s control. _How they say_ is is very difficult to show with just printed words. You cant see facial expressions or tone of words. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/285 "2025-08-18T17:40:17Z")
A great number of us manage just fine, pretty much daily, both here and In Real Life. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/286 "2025-08-18T17:44:25Z")
Experts say we really dont- this is on emails, but more or less that covers Message boards- > **[How Misunderstood Emails Lead to Employee Frustration](https://tomborgconsulting.com/how-misunderstood-emails-lead-to-employee-frustration/)** > > Striking the right balance between email and personal interaction can improve morale and prevent workplace conflicts. Learn how! ### **1. Lack of Emotional Cues** _Emails lack tone, body language, and facial expressions, which account for 93% of how we interpret communication. A message intended as neutral, such as “Please address this by Friday,” may come across as curt or demanding, causing unnecessary friction._ ### 2. Overconfidence in Clarity _According to Psychology Today, people believe their emails are understood 90% of the time, yet nearly 50% of messages are misinterpreted. This disconnect occurs because email readers project their own emotions and assumptions onto the text._ ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/287 "2025-08-18T17:44:52Z")
Please re-read my prior post. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/288 "2025-08-18T17:51:21Z")
Which I did and apparently did not understand. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/289 "2025-08-18T17:56:47Z")
I’m still not getting it. I think you could say, on this board for example, that Jewish people are overrepresented in Hollywood relative to the overall population. Are you saying that would get someone calling you a conspiracy theorist? It’s possible, I guess, given the context of the thread? In a thread about Americans being over-incarcerated, I would feel comfortable stating that, “yes, the US incarcerates many more people that the rest of the developed world. This has an even stronger negative effect among the Black population, who are really overrepresented among the incarcerated population relative to other demographic groups. There are a variety of reasons why that is true, but the net effect is that more Black men are in jail and that has generational effects on that group. The US should try and understand why we jail so many more people than any other Western nation.” I wouldn’t feel comfortable stating that “Blacks are overrepresented in the prison population, so it should be no surprise that the cop shot that Black kid.” ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/290 "2025-08-18T17:59:22Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I’m still not getting it. I think you could say, on this board for example, that Jewish people are overrepresented in Hollywood relative to the overall population. Are you saying that would get someone calling you a conspiracy theorist? Yes. Or at a minimum someone would post a hostile “and you’re bringing that up why exactly?” response. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/291 "2025-08-18T18:00:32Z")
Okay, let’s try an experiment: Jewish people are (statistically) over-represented in Hollywood relative to the overall population. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/292 "2025-08-18T18:02:09Z")
And you’re bringing that up why exactly? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/293 "2025-08-18T18:02:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Okay, let’s try an experiment: I dont think we should go down that road. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/294 "2025-08-18T18:04:52Z")
Well, Jews tend to live on the coasts more than the middle of the country, and that’s where a lot of entertainment happens. And, there are probably some network effects – a lot of today’s entertainment industry has its roots in NYC, where Jewish people are really over-represented relative to their population in the rest of the US (or the world), and nepotism is certainly a big thing in the entertainment world. That said, there are plenty of non-Jewish actors, directors, producers, etc. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/295 "2025-08-18T18:28:26Z")
I think it bears repeating: part of moderation on this message board involves a relatively careful and thorough look at a poster’s posting history where one exists. History gives context, and context matters. And that’s (still) only one of the three factors I raised: who you are, what you’re saying, and how you’re saying it. I remember engaging a YouTuber once, quite a few years ago, who had a sexual harassment complaint lodged against him by a female co-worker. He felt he hadn’t crossed the line. Because I’m the child of an HR executive, I chatted with him, letting him know that, IMHO, who he was or wasn’t was probably the single biggest factor in how the situation played out. In other words, while his action – whatever it was – wasn’t unambiguously over The Line, _who he was_ caused the situation/action to cross over into unwanted attention. I remember mentioning to the guy that … a hypothetical Brad Pitt might have garnered a materially different response to the exact same questionable action. The three things that I named above all matter, and at least two are entirely within our control. If you’re “constantly being misinterpreted (or misunderstood) online,” it’s time to work on that. And this (the SDMB) ain’t email. And this ain’t work. And the Psychology Today article referenced in some con$ultant’$ blog post (where he’s simply fishing for contract$) is a dozen years old (we’re getting better w/digital communications), and – if I found the right article – references a Quinnipiac study that intentionally dramatized the ‘incivility’ of the communication in the study to tease out signal. Another thing I used to tell people constantly at work: you want to be relatively ‘protected’ against Harassment claims? **Be** the kind of person where – if you were accused – scores would line up as character witnesses to say “Not him. No way. Not possible.” You want to raise a contentious subject on the SDMB – one that isn’t formally out of bounds? **Be** the kind of poster whose motivation won’t be questioned for doing so, or – worse – presumed to be less-than-honorable or hiding a malign agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/296 "2025-08-18T18:33:13Z")
Sounds a little like ancient Roman law, where aiui a person facing legal action could have the entirety of their past and character brought up. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/297 "2025-08-18T18:33:59Z")
But it isn’t. In fact, it isn’t even close. This is a social media outlet and the potential worst case consequences are trivial. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/298 "2025-08-18T18:39:55Z")
Why do Jewish people have an oversized compared to their population ‘control’ of Hollywood? Because they fucking built Hollywood, > Many of the men who created Hollywood were Jewish. [Adolph Zuckor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Zuckor), one of the three founders of [Paramount Pictures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramount_Pictures), was a Jew from [Hungary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary). Another Jew from Hungary, [William Fox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Fox_(producer)), founded [Fox Film Corporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Film_Corporation). [Louis B. Mayer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_B._Mayer), born in Russia, although he was never quite sure where, co-founded [Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer), with another Jew, this one with parents from Austria, [Marcus Loew](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Loew). And [Warner Bros.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Bros.) was founded by the brothers Warner: [Harry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Warner), [Albert](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Warner), [Sam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Warner), and [Jack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_L._Warner), three of whom were born in [Krasnosielc](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnosielc), [Poland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland) (Jack was born in [Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)). With [David Sarnoff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sarnoff), a Russian Jew who founded [RKO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKO), these were the five major studios of Hollywood’s Golden Age. In addition, two of the three minor studios of the time, [Universal Pictures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Pictures) and [Columbia Pictures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Pictures), were founded and run by Jews. [Carl Laemmle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Laemmle), one of the founders of Universal Pictures, was a German Jew from [Laupheim](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laupheim) in [Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany); while [Harry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Cohn) and [Jack Cohn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Cohn), along with [Joe Brandt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Brandt) were Jews from [New York City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City) who founded Columbia.[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_American_cinema#cite_note-5)[[6]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_American_cinema#cite_note-6) and, of course, anti-Semitism, > At the time that Hollywood was developing, [antisemitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism) was widespread in the United States, and due to that, it played a major role in the development of the film industry.[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_American_cinema#cite_note-THR-7) > > Jews were drawn to the film industry, partly because they were accepted in it. As first and second generation Jewish immigrants attempted to assimilate into American culture, they found many avenues barred to them. The power structures of the country were closed to them, occupied by the “New England-Wall Street-Middle West money”. The film industry was not one of them. Roadblocks found in other professions were not present in movies.[[8]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_American_cinema#cite_note-8) > **[Jews in American cinema](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_American_cinema)** > > Jews played a prominent and often leading role in much of the historical development of the film industry in the United States. > According to a standard work by Huberman and Chandler, ""The Lower East Side...was the cradle of the movie industry...The origins of Hollywood were to be found in the new, substantially immigrant mass audience, and its founding fathers among the entrepreneurs of New York's preeminent pre-world War I Jewish neighborhood." > The paradox is that the American film industry... ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/299 "2025-08-18T18:45:08Z")
There are an infinite number of facts out there. And an almost equally large infinite number of them are not relevant to keeping oneself alive and safe at any given moment. So, presenting a fact for others to consider is always contextual, and is always serving a purpose (to persuade, for example). We should ask- Who is presenting the fact? What conclusion is implicit in their presentation? Why is it relevant? How did they arrive at this fact? What is the scope of its truthiness? These are all relevant things to consider. Who tells you something and why is always relevant, because most facts don’t share the same kind of absolute truth as “1 + 1 = 2” (ready for mathematicians to school me on that one 😛 ). ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561/300 "2025-08-18T18:55:00Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > These are all relevant things to consider. Who tells you something and why is always relevant, because most facts don’t share the same kind of absolute truth as “1 + 1 = 2” (ready for mathematicians to school me on that one 😛 ). One male rabbit plus one female rabbit probably equals a lot more than two rabbits. One rabbit plus one hungry coyote probably equals one (temporarily) full coyote. (I am not a mathemetician.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voicing-limited-and-qualified-agreement-with-a-bigoted-stereotype/1021561.md?page=16)