# Von Daniken vs The Creationists--Who The F^^k Do we root for? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 4, 2005, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029 "2005-01-04T14:34:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/21 "2005-01-05T02:33:57Z")
Where’s Mutual Assured Destruction when we need it? ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/22 "2005-01-05T02:37:26Z")
Ooh, it’s like a brawl just broke out between the Yankees and the Pistons. I vote for egging on both sides and hoping for casualties. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/23 "2005-01-05T04:28:26Z")
See, these are the [wide psychic structures of archetypes](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5674228#post5674228) that I’m talking about. People just see the same root archetypes through ego, language, and experience and you get all of this confusion and conflict. I’m guilty of it, you’re guilty of it (even the hyperrational, skeptical, atheists are guilty of it.). It’s a shame all of the war and death and misery and acrimony caused by the war over symbol and the nature of reality. I tend to find the daniken take pretty whimsical and harmless…Christians, on the other hand scare me and I look at their track record and tend to be more skeptical. They suffer no archetype other than that book that tells them what to do. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/24 "2005-01-05T04:34:48Z")
should read “They suffer no perspective of archetype other than those in that book that tells them what to do.” ---
**Author:** ![EmeraldGrue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dc4da7/32.png) [@EmeraldGrue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmeraldGrue)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/25 "2005-01-05T04:48:08Z")
Oh man oh man oh man. Maybe they’ll finish each other off! If only we could throw John Edward, Sylvia Browne, and a couple of homeopaths and astrologers into the mix. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/26 "2005-01-05T05:00:11Z")
[MPSIM]Kind of a funny thing, look in your phone book’s yellow pages between the listing for Psychiatric Social Workers and Psychologists… [/MPSIM] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/27 "2005-01-05T05:30:44Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Don’t forget Battlestar Galactica. > > Wait, now I’m not sure who to root for. You, my friend, obviously haven’t seen the new and improved BG on the SciFi channel. No kidding-- the pilot last year was very good, and it should be starting up as a weekly series soon. If you like like SciFi at all, I bet you’ll enjoy it. As to the OP, this is a tough one. Von Daniken at least has put forth a hypothesis that is falsifiable. I’d go with him and then when he’s sent the creationists into exile, we’ll take him on. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/28 "2005-01-05T13:52:48Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > You, my friend, obviously haven’t seen the new and improved BG on the SciFi channel. No kidding-- the pilot last year was very good, and it should be starting up as a weekly series soon. If you like like SciFi at all, I bet you’ll enjoy it. Come now Mr. Mace. You know perfectly well I’m a fan of … ahem… Speculative Fiction. Or maybe you don’t know. (Note to self: Post more. Nobody still knows who you are.) Anyway, I have not seen the mini-series for the new version of BG, but I do have a tape of it that a friend of mine made for me. I haven’t watched it yet. Since the baby I am way behind on many of these things. (Further note to self: Find babysitter.) I shall take your council and move the show closer to the top of my list. If it sucks, you shall have much to answer for. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/29 "2005-01-05T16:51:46Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > I’m sooooo confused! 😕😕 > > [http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0103mystery\_park.asp](http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0103mystery_park.asp) > > On the one side, we have Von Daniken’s _Chariots Of The Gods_ horsecrap. > > On the other, a Creationist Freak Fuckwad who wants to shut him up. > > Who do we back? > Which side is less of a threat to our Fight Against Ignorance? > > Why do I twitch when I read the article? > > Help? The twitching, I can’t help with. However, the answer is Von Daniken. At least he’s amusing. And he writes about something that has at least a vague possibility of being true. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/30 "2005-01-05T18:15:47Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Come now Mr. Mace. You know perfectly well I’m a fan of … ahem… Speculative Fiction. Or maybe you don’t know. (Note to self: Post more. Nobody still knows who you are.) > > Anyway, I have not seen the mini-series for the new version of BG, but I do have a tape of it that a friend of mine made for me. I haven’t watched it yet. Since the baby I am way behind on many of these things. (Further note to self: Find babysitter.) > > I shall take your council and move the show closer to the top of my list. If it sucks, you shall have much to answer for. > 😃 Check out [this thread in CS](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5684119#post5684119) for more info. I don’t have a link to the thread critiquing the pilot, but I just posted in the thread I linked to and asked if anyone does. Lest it come as too much of a shock, let me inform you in advance that Starubuk is now a woman. Sounds like a dumb idea, but it works out OK. ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/31 "2005-01-05T18:46:38Z")
To modify a paraphrased quote from Dawkin, “There are few ways to be smart, but many more ways to be dumb.” ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2005, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/32 "2005-01-05T18:53:49Z")
We could e-mail Von Danken a link to the article. Perhaps he’d sue? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/33 "2005-01-06T17:41:47Z")
Von Daniken, if he is prepared. sorry ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/34 "2005-01-06T17:50:48Z")
This is rich: > [@](#): > > Von Däniken consciously rejected the traditional views of origins. On closer inspection, his writings have little to do with science or science fiction… Because the creationists are all about good science. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![EmeraldGrue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dc4da7/32.png) [@EmeraldGrue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmeraldGrue)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/35 "2005-01-06T19:30:31Z")
All about science _fiction_, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/36 "2005-01-06T21:21:01Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > Von Daniken, if he is prepared. > > sorry One for the comic book folks! ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2005, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/37 "2005-01-06T21:24:47Z")
No no no, science fiction deals with things that are plausible and grounded in real science, or at least uses well defined and self consistent fake science (e.g. faster than light travel). Creationism therefore falls under the category of fantasy. Von Daniken’s writings, with their aliens and such, would be science fiction. Not that these are exactly sterling examples of either genre, mind. ---
**Author:** ![WilhelmGefallen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9f8e36/32.png) [@WilhelmGefallen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WilhelmGefallen)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/38 "2005-01-07T02:11:30Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > I’m sooooo confused! 😕😕 > > [http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0103mystery\_park.asp](http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0103mystery_park.asp) > > On the one side, we have Von Daniken’s _Chariots Of The Gods_ horsecrap. > > On the other, a Creationist Freak Fuckwad who wants to shut him up. > > Who do we back? > Which side is less of a threat to our Fight Against Ignorance? > > Why do I twitch when I read the article? > > Help? Von Daniken, it might just be me but at least his ideas seem slightly plausible (not that they are correct)… An Omnipotent god indeed bleh ---
**Author:** ![Tentacle\_Monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@Tentacle\_Monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tentacle_Monster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/39 "2005-01-07T03:29:13Z")
Say, is that James Randi giggling I hear? ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/von-daniken-vs-the-creationists-who-the-f-k-do-we-root-for/283029/40 "2005-01-07T09:32:19Z")
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