# Vote GOP 2018! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2018, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756 "2018-04-20T05:02:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/41 "2018-04-23T02:44:25Z")
One problem with using the Confederate flag and Jim Crow/lynching imagery: you’re actually showing the history of the DEMOCRATIC party, (Southern Democrats, but still Democrats). And yes, I am indeed aware that it’s only been recently that the Republicans became the party on the right, and the Democrats the party on the left (it used to be a lot more complicated) BUT, it’s still going to make you look pretty ignorant of history, and it’s not the message you say you want to get across. > [@](#): > > For instance, did you know that more people were killed by police in 2017 than black people were lynched during the worst year of Jim Crow? So why not make a poster SAYING just that, and have the link underneath? (Although Root tends to be a wee sensationalist, I’d see if I couldn’t find a better cite, one that lists stats) And always avoid calling your opponents Nazis, unless they actually are. It’s way too much of a cliche. Here are some better examples: [Shocking Things Liberals Believe](https://imgur.com/oFVT9xm) [Guns Vs. Abortions](https://imgur.com/CkV6k0P) [With Hypocrisy Like This](https://imgur.com/DuOSwYV) [A Short History of the American Right](https://imgur.com/NGDhL6C) [If Minimum Wage Was Meant to Be a Living Wage](https://imgur.com/1B5JS2F) [We Are Liberals](https://imgur.com/CKXT0Ib) [Are You Lazy Little Bastards HUNGRY?](https://imgur.com/Ws2W1X8) [The Good Old Days](https://imgur.com/ypmtvlF) [Pro-Life Logic 101](https://imgur.com/NGylVC9) [George Carlin on Pro-Lifers](https://imgur.com/fNM7YEl) (Because I love George Carlin) [The “trickle-down” Theory](https://imgur.com/hczQgIq) [Those Damned Liberals!](https://imgur.com/qY0CBNe) [Get Our Kids Back to Work](https://imgur.com/xZHgAW9) [Child Coal Mine Workers, 1911](https://imgur.com/MqDdu0u) [People Claim They Love Donald Trump](https://imgur.com/VosG67g) [Calls Social Security a Ponzi Scheme](https://imgur.com/MXr63Qf) [Paul Ryan and Military Pensions](https://imgur.com/ZvEHo7x) See? Some of them are still snarky, but not hostile, foaming at the mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/42 "2018-04-23T13:07:04Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And always avoid calling your opponents Nazis, unless they actually are. It’s way too much of a cliche. I’m sure some of the Nazis are fine people. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/43 "2018-04-23T13:20:15Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I’ve read a lot on the board recently about how right-wingers are basically unreachable. Well, of course you have. And why, might you ask? The answer is simple: the left acts in such a manner and then accuses the right of acting in that manner. And since this board tilts FAR to the left… Here’s a thought: North Korea’s Kim Jong Un is more willing to work with President Trump than the Democratic Party is. Ponder that for a while. > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I don’t think there is any reaching across the isle anymore. See the above. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/44 "2018-04-23T13:21:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Here’s a thought: North Korea’s Kim Jong Un is more willing to work with President Trump than the Democratic Party is. Ponder that for a while. Has he asked? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/45 "2018-04-23T13:21:44Z")
Lead by example. If you want the political discourse to change for the better, then change YOUR tone. Attack is not the right approach in my humble opinion. These posters just lower the tone and attack your opponent with high emotional hyperbole. NOT a step forward. If you really want to change the arena, find out how to reach the people not voting, on either side. I’m pretty sure that’s where the answer lies. Everybody is all, “What do we need to do to get Dems/Reps to vote for our guy?” When everybody should be asking, how do we get an overwhelming majority to actually come out and vote. Consider how much more inclined they’d all be to listen to your concerns and speak a language you can parse IF no one gets to form a government without at least 65% of the voters going to the polls! Suddenly the power is back in the voters hand, instead of voters being ignored over corporate concerns. Just a thought. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/46 "2018-04-23T13:22:36Z")
But actually, this stands alone: > [@Clothahump](#): > > Here’s a thought: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/47 "2018-04-23T15:48:13Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I’m sure some of the Nazis are fine people. My father helped some of them get better. Normandy, I think it was. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/48 "2018-04-23T16:15:29Z")
OP, I get that you want to shock and startle conservative voters. I’m just saying they won’t buy what you’re selling. Not trying to be corny, but if you want to win them over, you should strive for quality and a good visual experience. Guidelines for effective PPT presentations apply, like [this one](http://www.garrreynolds.com/preso-tips/design/). Make your posters intriguing, not insulting. You may think they deserve the vitriol, but your approach is only going to make them more angry. At least put some humor and/or intrigue into it. [Humor](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/a9/77/61a9777c7f87c4d4213c0d116afb1685.jpg) Jesus with a gun [Intrigue](https://78.media.tumblr.com/0d1f2aa1edb328af1abefe582586a384/tumblr_noijxpYd1K1uqqex2o1_500.jpg)Cross made of rifles ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/49 "2018-04-23T16:33:03Z")
I like #2, Jesus on the cross with a gun in each hand. _ **"HELLS YAAH! I’m dying on the cross and I’m going to HELL!! To kick some ass for all of you and free the dead! SATAN I’M COMING FOR YOU!!!"** _ Yup, that’s an American God. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/50 "2018-04-23T16:47:44Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > This thread is about the three political campaign posters linked below… \…Or maybe you have a better idea? I like #2. To add: 1. The Ten Commandments 2. The Constitution 3. Their chance at Heaven ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/51 "2018-04-23T17:23:18Z")
That would be your Pearly Gated Community. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/52 "2018-04-23T22:57:21Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Here’s a thought: North Korea’s Kim Jong Un is more willing to work with President Trump than the Democratic Party is. Ponder that for a while. > > See the above. Maybe he senses a kindred spirit? Ponder THAT for a while. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/53 "2018-04-24T03:38:50Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > OP, I get that you want to shock and startle conservative voters. I’m just saying they won’t buy what you’re selling. > > Not trying to be corny, but if you want to win them over, you should strive for quality and a good visual experience. Guidelines for effective PPT presentations apply, like [this one](http://www.garrreynolds.com/preso-tips/design/). > > Make your posters intriguing, not insulting. You may think they deserve the vitriol, but your approach is only going to make them more angry. At least put some humor and/or intrigue into it. > > [Humor](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/a9/77/61a9777c7f87c4d4213c0d116afb1685.jpg) Jesus with a gun > [Intrigue](https://78.media.tumblr.com/0d1f2aa1edb328af1abefe582586a384/tumblr_noijxpYd1K1uqqex2o1_500.jpg)Cross made of rifles Well, the presentation tips were nice of you to share. It’s like you’re really fighting my ignorance 🙂 I see what you mean with your examples from a design pov. I still think my 2nd poster says more and is more interesting than either of those. Still, I have several more ideas, and I thought I’d try to apply my topical understanding of these tips to the next project. Voila! [I’m Not Running 2018](https://i.imgur.com/0MriK0E.jpg) Like that one better? And again, I don’t think I’m engaging in vitriol. It is uncomfortable to talk about these things. Compressing more than a year of time into one image via symbology can be startling, which might be what you’re experiencing as vitriol. Ask yourself- would it be easy to attach swastikas and confederate flags and so on to most historical administrations or major political figures? I’d say not a lot in my lifetime. But- here we are! I mean, don’t you think that’s where we are? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/54 "2018-04-24T13:58:25Z")
I don’t dig President Trump or the GOP. These posters accurately summarize why that is very well. But the posters don’t tell me anything new, they don’t support their own positions, and more importantly, don’t support an alternative. In short, they are simply flung poo and serve only to create an acrimonious atmosphere which I find a turn-off. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/55 "2018-04-24T15:07:24Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > …And again, I don’t think I’m engaging in vitriol. In all seriousness, that’s one of the strangest things I’ve read in weeks. Your posters exude vitriol. That’s the main problem with them. If you don’t see that, no wonder you don’t understand why people are responding the way they are. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/56 "2018-04-24T15:51:12Z")
Really, if we would just be nicer, everything would be so much better! Lets schedule a friendly get-together with the tighty righties. Drum circles, group hugs… I’ll bring the brownies. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/57 "2018-04-24T17:23:32Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > [I’m Not Running 2018](https://i.imgur.com/0MriK0E.jpg) > > Like that one better? That was better, but IMO didn’t need the markups. Maybe if you had her sipping a Mai Tai on the beach wearing a Hawaiian shirt, like she doesn’t have a care in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/58 "2018-04-24T18:01:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Really, if we would just be nicer, everything would be so much better! Lets schedule a friendly get-together with the tighty righties. Drum circles, group hugs… I’ll bring the brownies. There’s a difference between “subtle” and “nice”. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/59 "2018-04-24T18:03:11Z")
Neither of which are terribly common from the poster you are replying to 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756/60 "2018-04-24T19:34:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > In all seriousness, that’s one of the strangest things I’ve read in weeks. Your posters exude vitriol. That’s the main problem with them. If you don’t see that, no wonder you don’t understand why people are responding the way they are. It is like photographing dead soldiers in Vietnam. The pictures are going to upset people, but the photographer isn’t being vitriolic by believing that people need to see what is happening. He photographs what is there. Here we have a group that rode a tide of, “Mexicans are rapists” to victory. This is no time to pretend, or be coy, or dog whistle. Our politics contain a great deal of hatred and corruption- representing that honestly is not vitriol IMHO. I disagree that this thread should have been moved to the Pit, but I will leave it to others to fight the mods. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vote-gop-2018/812756.md?page=4)