# Voter fraud allegations in FL - "141% turnout" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 11, 2012, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661 "2012-11-11T06:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/1 "2012-11-11T06:01:36Z")
> **[Watchdog Wire - Unbiased News for a Better World](https://watchdogwire.com)** > > Watchdog Wire sifts through online content so you don't have to, finding only the most interesting and important news stories. This seems to be the latest right-wing talking point right now. And indeed the link on [the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections site](http://www.slcelections.com/) appears to show more “cards cast” than “reg. voters”. What’s up with this? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/2 "2012-11-11T06:12:25Z")
I don’t find that website to be a very credible source. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/3 "2012-11-11T06:15:22Z")
Cards cast is the physical number of pages that were fed through the scan-tron. The Florida ballot was two pages. So 141% is about 70% turnout. Unsurprisingly, if you look at the number of votes for each office, they’re 70% of the total number of registered voters. Sort of silly for the software to report the number of cards as a percentage of registered voters like that, but I imagine its just a case of the software being adapted from a different “scan-tron” application where it made sense. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/4 "2012-11-11T06:15:51Z")
Yeah, that website is a .com, not a .gov, or at least a .org. I don’t think that’s real. Next time, bring a _good_ fake cite. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/5 "2012-11-11T06:24:50Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > Yeah, that website is a .com, not a .gov, or at least a .org. I don’t think that’s real. Next time, bring a _good_ fake cite. Its real. Its linked to from the state gov’t elections site. No idea why they have a .com address instead of being hosted along with the rest of the St Lucie county sites (which do have a “.gov” address). But its not fraud in any case, just a poorly named field on the readout form and some GOP wishful thinking mixed with lack of critical thinking skills by same. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/6 "2012-11-11T06:28:24Z")
All the [constitutional officers](http://www.stlucieco.gov/constitutional_officers.htm) in St. Lucie have their websites hosted at .com or .org addresses, presumably because the county makes them register their own domain names and get their own tech support. Seems kind of inefficient. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/7 "2012-11-11T07:05:46Z")
question: they are crying foul at the stats because the number of card count is “and odd number,” meaning if it was truly cards counting, it would _have_ to be 2x votes. however, in my precinct, i noticed that i got two pages of junk to vote on. the lady took my name, had me sign a thing, looked at a list, then told the other lady handing out ballots i got. i got two, the people in front of me got 1. the guy behind me got 1. is this something to do with voting for offices vs voting for initiatives? my point is “cards counted” can be practically anything based on this. i just wonder what the provisions are that determine how many ballots a person has to vote on. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/8 "2012-11-11T07:10:26Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > Yeah, that website is a .com, not a .gov, or at least a .org. I don’t think that’s real. Next time, bring a _good_ fake cite. **Absolutely anyone can own a .org.** ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/9 "2012-11-11T07:12:37Z")
another questions: why would they even post that stat–% turn-out between cards cast and registered voters? it’s a confusing and irrelevant stat. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/10 "2012-11-11T07:30:10Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > another questions: why would they even post that stat–% turn-out between cards cast and registered voters? it’s a confusing and irrelevant stat. Likely when the software was written, a multiple card ballot wasn’t thought about. As a result, the number of cards did equal the number of ballots cast and was a used as a statement like “we scanned # physical cards (assumption ballots)” and “we’ve counted # votes for J.Doe” (In Ohio, when there’s a lot to vote on, they shrink the text down so that it stays on one ballot card). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/11 "2012-11-11T07:46:34Z")
From the comments: > [@](#): > > …Because Allen West was a LEADER AND FIGHTER he proved this…what I wouldn’t give to have West/Palin Ticket in 2016… Now, Universe, I know I haven’t been a very good pantheist, but if you could just give me this sign… ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/12 "2012-11-11T10:27:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > From the comments: > > Now, Universe, I know I haven’t been a very good pantheist, but if you could just give me this sign… If Sarah Palin thinks ‘West’ means ‘Kanye’ and records a rap video to show her support… (West Palin sounds like the sad part of the county.) ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/13 "2012-11-11T10:48:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Now, Universe, I know I haven’t been a very good pantheist, but if you could just give me this sign… You know, I believe that is one of the few tickets the GOP could offer that could be beaten by a \*\*prr/'luci \*\*ticket, and what fun that would be…Of course, we’d have to find someone to actually run the country when we won (but so would they.) ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/14 "2012-11-11T11:42:01Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > You know, I believe that is one of the few tickets the GOP could offer that could be beaten by a \*\*prr/'luci \*\*ticket, and what fun that would be…Of course, we’d have to find someone to actually run the country when we won (but so would they.) I’ll be your [éminence grise](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89minence_grise), mainly because it sounds like a high-falutin’ kitschy diner (“Imminent grease! Comin’ up!”). ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/15 "2012-11-11T12:19:29Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > You know, I believe that is one of the few tickets the GOP could offer that could be beaten by a \*\*prr/'luci \*\*ticket, and what fun that would be…Of course, we’d have to find someone to actually run the country when we won (but so would they.) I think elucidator deserves better than to be worse than a bucket of warm piss. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/16 "2012-11-11T13:12:30Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > **Absolutely anyone can own a .org.** Agreed. I own one, myself; the .com version was taken. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2012, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/17 "2012-11-11T16:19:04Z")
Did you look at the video of “Obama supporters singing Na Na Na Hey Hey Goodbye to Israel”? ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/18 "2012-11-12T02:58:26Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > **Absolutely anyone can own a .org.** Sure, sure, but .com just sounds like a joke. I could picture a real government elections board using a .org, I can’t imagine why they’re using a .com. That just seems crazy to me. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/19 "2012-11-12T03:04:01Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > I could picture a real government elections board using a .org I do understand what you’re saying. It’s probably a flaw in the domain registration system that the .org domains weren’t locked down, but they weren’t and that’s what we have to work with now. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-allegations-in-fl-141-turnout/640661/20 "2012-11-12T17:27:07Z")
Right. A .org would at least be a _good_ fake.