# Voter fraud and tampering **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 23, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753 "2010-07-23T19:07:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/1 "2010-07-23T19:07:09Z")
I graduated college with a History major along with another one. I taught History before in my younger days. Now…it is a hobby of mine. I know something about it though I do not claim to be an expert. Hardly anyone is. I say this to somewhat qualify what I will talk about. I see a great deal of tampering with our voting system. Especially by the left. There has been allegations computer tampering with voting results. The DOJ has flagrantly allowed anti-whtie racism in the form of voter-intimidation by black panthers standing and threatening people at the polls. We know, without a doubt, that there are many instances of illegal aliens voting with fake identification papers. ACORN has been accused many times that their voter enlistment programs are illegal and many of the voters they sign up or voting more than once and are committing other offenses. Their voters have signed up with many different names, including names llike …“Micky Mouse and Minnie Mouse”. Voting is just apparently a joke to some of them. Felons are voting. Some politicians have openly calling for allowing aliens to vote. Most of these politicians are ignorant of the Constitution. People are losing faith in the vote-count facilities and computers. People are beginnning to feel that their vote doesn’t matter because the “fix is in”. These people who believe the voting system is corrupt are correct. However the corruption is corroding the whole political system in many ways. This group of people is growing. Beside electing whom leftist want elected…the corrupt system also causes thousands a year to lose faith in the system and in America. If people cannot feel that their vote counts and that their vote will not be tampered with; then they have two paths to take. One is that they just give up and quit voting. That choice is what the left hopes will take place. The other choice is to react violently and make their changes by the point of a gun. They are betting (hoping) that will not happen. Other societies in history have lost faith in their governments. They usually end up putting their nation in the hands of a charismatic dictator who promises to take care of everything and to restore the nation to simpler, more prosperous days. We MUST clamp down on any and all vote improprieties. Voting is a sacred right that keeps this nation relativiely peaceful and insures the a quiet and smooth transfer of power. When voting does not work…violence insues. We are headed for a dictatorship. It always happens. Especially when the government has descended into the depths that this one has. This government is similar to the Weimar Republic of yesteryear in Germany. Read up on it. The Weimar Republic was a weak, corrupt, leftist government in Germany that was hated by most Germans because of its corruption. Germans had lost faith in their government and as a sidelight…they thought their vote was being watered down and corrupted. It preceded the takeover by Hitler. Hitler was (at first) thought of as a hero to Germans maily because he destroyed the Weirmar regime. Obama’s regime is our 'Weimar". Either we clear up the problem at the polls and start arresting those who vote more than once or tamper with the polls in any form…; or we watch as the population completely loses faith in the govermnent and clamour for the complete rule of a strong man among us who promises us a return to past glories. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/2 "2010-07-23T19:13:11Z")
Do you have any kind of cite for any of your allegations? ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/3 "2010-07-23T19:45:16Z")
Oh Beavis Christ. What does your being a history major have anything to do with your obvious confirmation bias when it comes to voting fraud allegations? I saw story after story about [altered registrations](http://www.prwatch.org/node/9031), [destroying registration forms](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml), plus all the stories about [Diebold](http://votingnews.blogspot.com/2010/06/sec-charges-diebold-with-fraud-mcallen.html) in the 2004 election, and all of these are right wing. So you’re saying these are in the minority? Care to back this up? And ACORN? Are you kidding me? We’ve done this to death, but here we go again. Those fake voting registration forms with fake names on them were caught _by ACORN_. They were made by employees who wanted to pad their actual work so they’d get paid more. Once again _ACORN_ caught them, not FOX, not Rush, not O’Reilly, ACORN. And even if they missed some, you still have to have a valid ID to vote. So the only way Micky Mouse is voting is if he has a valid ID saying that he is in fact Micky Mouse. Oh and it ends with a threat of revolution, great. Bush drives the country into a ditch, and now the people who supported him are screaming about the cost of the tow truck cuz their guy isn’t in power any more. Gimmie a break. Yes, voting is important. Obvious misrepresentation, bias, and threats about voting are just another form of fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/4 "2010-07-23T20:43:25Z")
**hotflungwok** , you forgot to mention [Rush Limbaugh urging his listeners to commit vote fraud](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show#Operation_Chaos). Representing yourself as a member of a different party for purposes of sabotaging their primary is a crime in several states. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/5 "2010-07-23T21:17:20Z")
If the OP was a teacher, I’ll either eat my hat, weep for the future of education in this country, or finally understand where some of my students came from. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/6 "2010-07-23T21:42:44Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > We know, without a doubt, that there are many instances of illegal aliens voting with fake identification papers. :dubious: Yeah, I’ve read that many times before. I’ve challenged Dopers to come up with cites for that many times in GD. It seems to be all smoke. Relevant GD threads from the past few years, in reverse chronological order: [Get-out-the-vote and voter suppression are not equally legitimate political tactics](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=489075&highlight=voter+fraud) [USA Tim Griffin/“caging lists” redux](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=420582&highlight=voter+fraud) [“Voter fraud” think-tank mysteriously vanishes](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=424335&highlight=voter+fraud) [Election Assistance Commission gags co-author of “Voter Fraud” report from speaking](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=418643&highlight=voter+fraud) [Come on! Let’s have some proof, already, that “false voters” really are a problem!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=389716&highlight=voter+fraud) [RFK Jr. files whistleblower suit against Diebold](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=380034&highlight=voter+fraud) [How big a problem is “voting fraud” in the U.S.?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=315502&highlight=voter+fraud) [Senators Boxer and Clinton propose “Count Every Vote Act”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=307833&highlight=voter+fraud) [Can anyone name any defensible, legitimate value to “voter suppression”?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279927&highlight=voter+fraud) ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/7 "2010-07-24T02:28:07Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Oh Beavis Christ. What does your being a history major have anything to do with your obvious confirmation bias when it comes to voting fraud allegations? > > I saw story after story about [altered registrations](http://www.prwatch.org/node/9031), [destroying registration forms](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml), plus all the stories about [Diebold](http://votingnews.blogspot.com/2010/06/sec-charges-diebold-with-fraud-mcallen.html) in the 2004 election, and all of these are right wing. So you’re saying these are in the minority? Care to back this up? > > And ACORN? Are you kidding me? We’ve done this to death, but here we go again. Those fake voting registration forms with fake names on them were caught _by ACORN_. They were made by employees who wanted to pad their actual work so they’d get paid more. Once again _ACORN_ caught them, not FOX, not Rush, not O’Reilly, ACORN. And even if they missed some, you still have to have a valid ID to vote. So the only way Micky Mouse is voting is if he has a valid ID saying that he is in fact Micky Mouse. > > Oh and it ends with a threat of revolution, great. Bush drives the country into a ditch, and now the people who supported him are screaming about the cost of the tow truck cuz their guy isn’t in power any more. Gimmie a break. Yes, voting is important. Obvious misrepresentation, bias, and threats about voting are just another form of fraud. YOu seem upset…libtard! Is it that people are on to your group’s voting fraud and will watch it more closely than ever? I see you did not say anything in reference to the ‘black panther voting intimidation’. I guess that is alright with a libtard like you. I mentioned ‘history’ because it repeats itself. We are heading for a dictatorship and I promise…it will not be obama leading it and it will not be leftist (as you are apt to believe). ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/8 "2010-07-24T02:29:43Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > If the OP was a teacher, I’ll either eat my hat, weep for the future of education in this country, or finally understand where some of my students came from. Liberals have ruined education. They ruin anything they touch. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/9 "2010-07-24T02:33:04Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :dubious: Yeah, I’ve read that many times before. I’ve challenged Dopers to come up with cites for that many times in GD. It seems to be all smoke. > > Relevant GD threads from the past few years, in reverse chronological order: > > [Get-out-the-vote and voter suppression are not equally legitimate political tactics](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=489075&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [USA Tim Griffin/“caging lists” redux](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=420582&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [“Voter fraud” think-tank mysteriously vanishes](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=424335&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [Election Assistance Commission gags co-author of “Voter Fraud” report from speaking](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=418643&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [Come on! Let’s have some proof, already, that “false voters” really are a problem!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=389716&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [RFK Jr. files whistleblower suit against Diebold](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=380034&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [How big a problem is “voting fraud” in the U.S.?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=315502&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [Senators Boxer and Clinton propose “Count Every Vote Act”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=307833&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [Can anyone name any defensible, legitimate value to “voter suppression”?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279927&highlight=voter+fraud) Come on …libtard. We know and we can prove it. It has been proven before and lawsuits have been lauched and won over this issue. That is a favorite ploy of the libtard left. You put your hands on your hips and give your best gay pose and say…“do you have any sites to list about that?” Is seems that you never have sites to list unless they are from some communist left leaning blog. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/10 "2010-07-24T02:35:27Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > Do you have any kind of cite for any of your allegations? Puhleeeeeze…Giles…ESAD. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/11 "2010-07-24T02:44:50Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Oh Beavis Christ. What does your being a history major have anything to do with your obvious confirmation bias when it comes to voting fraud allegations? > > I saw story after story about [altered registrations](http://www.prwatch.org/node/9031), [destroying registration forms](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml), plus all the stories about [Diebold](http://votingnews.blogspot.com/2010/06/sec-charges-diebold-with-fraud-mcallen.html) in the 2004 election, and all of these are right wing. So you’re saying these are in the minority? Care to back this up? > > And ACORN? Are you kidding me? We’ve done this to death, but here we go again. Those fake voting registration forms with fake names on them were caught _by ACORN_. They were made by employees who wanted to pad their actual work so they’d get paid more. Once again _ACORN_ caught them, not FOX, not Rush, not O’Reilly, ACORN. And even if they missed some, you still have to have a valid ID to vote. So the only way Micky Mouse is voting is if he has a valid ID saying that he is in fact Micky Mouse. > > Oh and it ends with a threat of revolution, great. Bush drives the country into a ditch, and now the people who supported him are screaming about the cost of the tow truck cuz their guy isn’t in power any more. Gimmie a break. Yes, voting is important. Obvious misrepresentation, bias, and threats about voting are just another form of fraud. NO…they were NOT caught by ACORN. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/12 "2010-07-24T02:47:00Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > Come on …libtard. We know and we can prove it. It has been proven before and lawsuits have been lauched and won over this issue. That is a favorite ploy of the libtard left. You put your hands on your hips and give your best gay pose and say…“do you have any sites to list about that?” Is seems that you never have sites to list unless they are from some communist left leaning blog. Also…in 2007 the republicans tried to pass a law that simply said that everyone who is to vote must…must…show legitimate Identification. The dems threw a fit and called it discrimination. Don’t give me your BS. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/13 "2010-07-24T02:47:33Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > NO…they were NOT caught by ACORN. Show us who caught them, then. Use facts, not insults - that’s the way things work here. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/14 "2010-07-24T02:48:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **hotflungwok** , you forgot to mention [Rush Limbaugh urging his listeners to commit vote fraud](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show#Operation_Chaos). Representing yourself as a member of a different party for purposes of sabotaging their primary is a crime in several states. You are a liar. What he urged was completely legal in the states he urged it in. The demos were already doing it against the repubs. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/15 "2010-07-24T02:50:25Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Show us who caught them, then. Use facts, not insults - that’s the way things work here. I have seen the way things work here. If it is a leftist quote or allegatilon…everything is fine. ANy other points of view are scoffed at are acused of being wrong or lies. Get lost. ---
**Author:** ![bullrun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@bullrun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bullrun)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/16 "2010-07-24T02:52:41Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :dubious: Yeah, I’ve read that many times before. I’ve challenged Dopers to come up with cites for that many times in GD. It seems to be all smoke. > > Relevant GD threads from the past few years, in reverse chronological order: > > [Get-out-the-vote and voter suppression are not equally legitimate political tactics](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=489075&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [USA Tim Griffin/“caging lists” redux](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=420582&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [“Voter fraud” think-tank mysteriously vanishes](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=424335&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [Election Assistance Commission gags co-author of “Voter Fraud” report from speaking](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=418643&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [Come on! Let’s have some proof, already, that “false voters” really are a problem!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=389716&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [RFK Jr. files whistleblower suit against Diebold](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=380034&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [How big a problem is “voting fraud” in the U.S.?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=315502&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [Senators Boxer and Clinton propose “Count Every Vote Act”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=307833&highlight=voter+fraud) > > [Can anyone name any defensible, legitimate value to “voter suppression”?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279927&highlight=voter+fraud) LOL…dopers. You accuse people of what you leftist are. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/17 "2010-07-24T02:59:05Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > I have seen the way things work here. If it is a leftist quote or allegatilon…everything is fine. ANy other points of view are scoffed at are acused of being wrong or lies. Get lost. So that’s a “no” then? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/18 "2010-07-24T03:02:58Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > LOL…dopers. You accuse people of what you leftist are. I know you are but what am I? That’s so… fourth grade. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/19 "2010-07-24T03:05:05Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > NO…they were NOT caught by ACORN. If someone fills out a registration card as “Mickey Mouse”, ACORN is required by law to turn it in, with notation, which they did. No law broken. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/20 "2010-07-24T03:28:15Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > Puhleeeeeze…Giles…ESAD. I’ll take that as a no. I’ll be honest, I thought about pitting you “bullrun”. But, you ain’t gonna last long enough to bother with. Be sure and tell the guys at Stormfront how you stomped some liberal ass over here… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753.md?page=2)