# Voter fraud and tampering **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 23, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753 "2010-07-23T19:07:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/21 "2010-07-24T03:53:24Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > YOu seem upset…libtard! > [@bullrun](#): > > Come on …libtard. We know and we can prove it. It has been proven before and lawsuits have been lauched and won over this issue. That is a favorite ploy of the libtard left. You put your hands on your hips and give your best gay pose and say…“do you have any sites to list about that?” Is seems that you never have sites to list unless they are from some communist left leaning blog. > [@bullrun](#): > > Puhleeeeeze…Giles…ESAD. > [@bullrun](#): > > You are a liar. [**bullrun** , we have one major rule here, and it’s “Don’t be a jerk.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=423183) All of the above is rude, insulting and absolutely jerk-y. It’s not allowed in any forum here except the BBQ Pit. (More specifically in Great Debates you are not allowed to call another poster a liar. If you continue to post like this your stay here will probably be very short. > [@Registration Agreement](#): > > You are free to express your views in a forceful manner provided you remain civil. Hate speech, insults, and purposely inflammatory remarks (i.e., trolling) will not be tolerated. Do not post threats or state or imply that any individual or group is deserving of harm. We recognize that this rule cannot be strictly applied in discussions of war, capital punishment and the like but urge users to express themselves in moderate terms nonetheless. If we tell you to refrain from behavior that we regard as uncivil, do so or face revocation of your posting privileges. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/22 "2010-07-24T05:03:55Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > If someone fills out a registration card as “Mickey Mouse”, ACORN is required by law to turn it in, with notation, which they did. No law broken. And, IIRC, in the case that made the news, it turned out the registrant in question actually **was** a person named Mickey Mouse. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/23 "2010-07-24T14:06:55Z")
I was going to post but I see the OP has developed an immunity to facts and reason and just stopped by to hurl insults. No need for Krescan here to see the future. Yes, we do have those far left ideas of facts and reason. We even have smart conservatives who enjoy those things as well. If you manage to stick around you might learn something form them. I’m not holding my breath. It would be interesting for you to post something like this in the pit so the glove were off for the left as well. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/24 "2010-07-24T14:15:48Z")
I never got a convincing rebuttal when I started [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507370) a while back. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/25 "2010-07-24T14:54:04Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I never got a convincing rebuttal when I started [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507370) a while back. You mean other than Shodan’s cites in Post #7 or the fact that at the time of the alleged fraud, touch screens were not in use (nor planned for use) in the affected district? I’m gonna regret this, but what kind of cite were you looking for? What WOULD you find convincing other than a complete vindication of your stance? Is there any evidence or cite you would accept that contradicts your view of the world? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/26 "2010-07-24T15:17:56Z")
To warrant the expense and hours involved in an investigation there has to be some credible evidence of voter fraud. Felons who were ineligible may have voted. OKay. That might indicate a review of that specific aspect of voting needs to be reviewed with reasonable questions like Did they know they were ineligible and voted anyway? Do we know if their voting was slanted toward a particular candidate? Is there any evidence of party officials being involved, knowing about it and/or encouraging it in any way. Without real credible evidence we are left with wild politically motivated speculation wuth does nothing except distract us from real serious issues. the point being, that a convincing rebuttal is only nessecary when there is a convincing fact based argument presented. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/27 "2010-07-24T15:53:06Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > YOu seem upset…libtard! > > You are a liar. > > NO…they were NOT caught by ACORN. Is this all you got? Insults and childish retorts? This is not an echo chamber. This is not your personal blog. If you wanna spew screed and watch all the bobble heads start nodding in agreement then back to the Freerepublic, Conservapedia, Fox News, or whatever other board you wandered away from. In here we expect a bit of evidence, logic or reason, and you’ve given us nothing. Given the level of grammar and spelling you’ve displayed, your claim of being a teacher is suspect at best. ---
**Author:** ![Snnipe\_70E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5a626/32.png) [@Snnipe\_70E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snnipe_70E)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/28 "2010-07-24T16:14:54Z")
This country is being set up for voter fraud. In 1968 I was away going to college, so I applied for an absentee ballot. I had to have a good reason, I was going to school in Vallejo CA and registered in Montery county CA. It was good for that election only. Now I am a perminate absentee voter, why long story but one election I was not allowed to vote before going to work. The State of Calif is trying to get everyone to sign up as an absentee voter. I believe this is a dangerous set up. Also when we have only electrronic voting someone will find a way to change the results, it will happen in the future. And this is not a right or left that is pushing it but both. Several years ago I was voting when a man finished voting and asked to pick up his wife’s ballot to take to her. Under absentee voting as now administered he can get her ballot mailed to their home. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/29 "2010-07-24T19:11:55Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Given the level of grammar and spelling you’ve displayed, your claim of being a teacher is suspect at best. Could be a phys.ed. teacher . . . ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/30 "2010-07-24T19:16:04Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > Liberals have ruined education. They ruin anything they touch. Something certainly ruined yours. You were obviously never taught about rational thought, backing up your arguments with facts, or engaging in actual debate. And your English teachers need to be blamed for your atrocious writing skills. Whether or not those incompetent teachers were liberal or conservative has not been proven. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/31 "2010-07-25T00:37:22Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > > [@Giles](#): > > > > Do you have any kind of cite for any of your allegations? > > Puhleeeeeze…Giles…ESAD. Woo. You’re not going to be here long if you can’t prove a damned thing and keep acting a damned fool. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/32 "2010-07-25T02:09:52Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > > [@hotflungwok](#): > > > > Oh Beavis Christ. What does your being a history major have anything to do with your obvious confirmation bias when it comes to voting fraud allegations? > > > > I saw story after story about [altered registrations](http://www.prwatch.org/node/9031), [destroying registration forms](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml), plus all the stories about [Diebold](http://votingnews.blogspot.com/2010/06/sec-charges-diebold-with-fraud-mcallen.html) in the 2004 election, and all of these are right wing. So you’re saying these are in the minority? Care to back this up? > > > > And ACORN? Are you kidding me? We’ve done this to death, but here we go again. Those fake voting registration forms with fake names on them were caught _by ACORN_. They were made by employees who wanted to pad their actual work so they’d get paid more. Once again _ACORN_ caught them, not FOX, not Rush, not O’Reilly, ACORN. And even if they missed some, you still have to have a valid ID to vote. So the only way Micky Mouse is voting is if he has a valid ID saying that he is in fact Micky Mouse. > > > > Oh and it ends with a threat of revolution, great. Bush drives the country into a ditch, and now the people who supported him are screaming about the cost of the tow truck cuz their guy isn’t in power any more. Gimmie a break. Yes, voting is important. Obvious misrepresentation, bias, and threats about voting are just another form of fraud. > > NO…they were NOT caught by ACORN. Many were flagged by ACORN. That is all they can do. They had no police power, they had no authority to reject applications. That was the election commissions place. I pity the poor children who you will propagandize. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/33 "2010-07-25T05:30:56Z")
ACORN is so evil it can steal elections when it doesn’t even exist? Glad I’m on _their_ side. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/34 "2010-07-25T19:11:58Z")
BULLRUN should get a new hobby. Voter fraud is very rare in the US. Perhaps he does not know that ACORN is defunct due to right wing lies. All they did was register voters. By the way, 2 people in America are named Mickey Mouse. i suppose they should not be allowed to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/35 "2010-07-26T00:13:53Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > BULLRUN should get a new hobby. Voter fraud is very rare in the US. > Perhaps he does not know that ACORN is defunct due to right wing lies. All they did was register voters. By the way, 2 people in America are named Mickey Mouse. i suppose they should not be allowed to vote. Do you have some kind of proof for that? I’d assume that voter fraud is pretty sparse as well, but I don’t know one way or another. There is that “Vote early, vote often” saying that pops up in Chicago politics, though. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/36 "2010-07-26T14:50:41Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > > [@gonzomax](#): > > > > BULLRUN should get a new hobby. Voter fraud is very rare in the US. > > Perhaps he does not know that ACORN is defunct due to right wing lies. All they did was register voters. By the way, 2 people in America are named Mickey Mouse. i suppose they should not be allowed to vote. > > Do you have some kind of proof for that? I’d assume that voter fraud is pretty sparse as well, but I don’t know one way or another. There is that “Vote early, vote often” saying that pops up in Chicago politics, though. [http://mediamatters.org/blog/200810140013](http://mediamatters.org/blog/200810140013) Actually 2 in Florida ,32 across the nation named Mickey Mouse. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/37 "2010-08-22T18:15:54Z")
> [@bullrun](#): > > > [@bullrun](#): > > > > Come on …libtard. We know and we can prove it. It has been proven before and lawsuits have been lauched and won over this issue. That is a favorite ploy of the libtard left. You put your hands on your hips and give your best gay pose and say…“do you have any sites to list about that?” Is seems that you never have sites to list unless they are from some communist left leaning blog. > > Also…in 2007 the republicans tried to pass a law that simply said that everyone who is to vote must…must…show legitimate Identification. The dems threw a fit and called it discrimination. Don’t give me your BS. One time in California, I walked ito the polling booth only to find I had already voted. And I never had to show ID to vote in Cali. ---
**Author:** ![Markxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/38 "2010-09-02T14:37:49Z")
Even if you accept all (or most) of the OP arguments, the one fact is this: Not enough people in the USA vote. So what does this mean? It means the government wants to make it EASY not hard to register to vote. And this does allow for abuse. But as long as the government wants to make it EASY not hard to register this will continue. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/39 "2010-09-02T15:37:57Z")
> [@Markxxx](#): > > Even if you accept all (or most) of the OP arguments, the one fact is this: > > Not enough people in the USA vote. > > So what does this mean? It means the government wants to make it EASY not hard to register to vote. > > And this does allow for abuse. But as long as the government wants to make it EASY not hard to register this will continue. Well, not necessarily. From a civics viewpoint, certainly, high voter turnout is always better than low voter turnout, in and of itself. However: “The government” as such has no interest in high voter turnout as such. A low-turnout election still gets officials elected, after all. By “the government” you mean the elected officials sitting at any given time – any one of whom might gain or might lose by higher turnout in the next election. Generally, Dems want high turnout and Pubs want low turnout, but that can vary with local or temporal conditions. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753/40 "2010-09-03T19:12:37Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > > [@gonzomax](#): > > > > BULLRUN should get a new hobby. Voter fraud is very rare in the US. > > Perhaps he does not know that ACORN is defunct due to right wing lies. All they did was register voters. By the way, 2 people in America are named Mickey Mouse. i suppose they should not be allowed to vote. > > Do you have some kind of proof for that? I’d assume that voter fraud is pretty sparse as well, but I don’t know one way or another. There is that “Vote early, vote often” saying that pops up in Chicago politics, though. The number of cases that have gone to court, let alone result in convictions, is ridiculously small. From 2002 to 2005, the Bush Justice Department made enforcing laws against voter fraud a top priority. It resulted in a total of 38 cases, 14 of which were either dismissed or found not guilty. That’s 24 cases in three years, when the Justice Department was going out of its way to prosecute. Not exactly a crime wave. Of the 38, the Justice Department found only two cases where the fraud occurred during a minority registration drive, their main target. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voter-fraud-and-tampering/547753.md?page=3)