Voter ID Laws: Necessary to combat rampant fraud or subtle subjugation of the Democratic demographic

Sure about that?

How about Harris Interactive? How about Pew Research? How about Gallup?

Which organization, in your opinion, produces valid polls?

There’s already enough snark going around in this thread. Please omit terms like “rightard” from your future posts. Now go forth and sin no more.

Any one of those organizations may have, at some point in their existence, produced a poll of questionable construction or dubious statistical import. But I don’t believe they have a reputation for such. I’ve encountered enough deceiving polls originating from Rasmussen that they’ve earned my presumption of distrust.

I disregard anything Fox News says because you’d have to be a fool to unequivocally swallow anything they claim, and I’ve got better things to do than research everything they say to find out whether they’re bullshitting me or not. I just assume they are.

I have used precisely the same term for years, without a peep from anybody. The Google search device offered in the ATMB is proof of this claim.

Is this a new ruling?

So as a general principle, you’re fine with a poll from Harris or Gallup showing majority support for voter ID laws?

Depends on how it’s constructed.

Peep.

In your view, does the poll have to claim that legitimate voters are being disenfranchised in order to be valid?

Just post the poll you think is a gotcha and we will discuss it.

Yes, I know how that will go.

C’mon, quit playing chicken with us. Either put up or shut up.

Why is that burden mine? Why can’t I say to you, as I have, “In your view, does the poll have to claim that legitimate voters are being disenfranchised in order to be valid?” and then demand that you put up an answer, or shut up about the invalid polls supposedly crafted by Rasmussen?

And you wonder why people don’t play your games any more? Are you not tired of laying obvious traps that snare only the unwary? How is that satisfying for you?

You’re the one claiming Americans support voter ID laws, not me.

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20120604_Protect_votes_of_all_citizens.html

87% sounds like support to me.

True.

OK, let’s try. Here’s a discussion of a Tennessee poll conducted by Middle State Tennessee University.

What’s wrong with it?

I don’t know how representative 546 people from Tennessee are of Americans as a whole, but the professor who conducted the poll identified a possible problem:

In other words, they may not have thought about this fully, and their feelings may be influenced by the way the issue has been presented to them.

Now if all you’ve been hearing is that there’s an epidemic of illegally cast votes, and then you find out that these laws can result in eligible voters being turned away at the polls, wouldn’t that be the type of information that might change attitudes?

Every year. I walk up, give them my name, which they verify against a list of names, I sign, or they sign (can’t remember) and that’s that.

Never once have they checked an address. (Pennsylvania)
Since you seem sure (and derisive), do you happen to have a cite that shows that checking your address is part of voting? Prior to this years’ ID laws, of course.

Of course Americans support such laws. The proper question is would they support using such laws as an excuse to give a particular political party an electoral advantage. Americans oppose voter fraud? Yes, they also are in favor of puppies. Doesn’t mean they support rabies.