They turned up 2700 in Florida by comparing driver license records with voter records. We are just talking about non-citizens with driver licenses, without talking about felons or illegal aliens. If the Florida election is as close as 2000, then illegal voter will probably decide the election.
I’m curious about the lack of historical knowledge displayed by the people who think illegal voting is an insignificant problem. Did you never hear of Tammany Hall or Boss Tweed or more recently of Mayor Daley? Maybe you should explain when the problem got cleaned up?
It has been discussed before but nobody mentioned that only 500 of the 2700 were able to produce documentation that they were naturalized after they got their driver licenses, so there are still over 2,000 illegal voters on the list.
Nobody said that because that’s a complete misrepresentation of the article. I cannot even find the number 500 in the article. Are you even reading it?
It’s also very important to understand what a fraudulent vote is, because you responded to a point about fraudulent votes with a cite about non-citizens on voting rolls. How many fraudulent votes were identified?
No it was in another article. I suggest you google it yourself. It will be less work than going through over 600 posts to find the previous reference. BTW the number was larger then 500, but I’m sure you can figure it
All non-citizen voting is fraudulent. I don’t care about what semantics games you are playing.
Ion Sancho’s statement is literally true. You chances of being struck by lightning are about 1 in 700,000, but if you don’t look for voter fraud, then your chances of finding it are nil. He is admitting that he isn’t doing his job.
I’m also rather curious about how these naturalized citizens got registered to vote without updating their Florida DL or FL ID. If you have the ID, then you are supposed to show them when you register. Of course the people that write these articles never ask logical questions like that.
Don’t know perzackly, but is there some reason someone who is scheduled for their citizenship ceremony could not register to vote in the election that ensues after said ceremony? A charming enthusiasm and eagerness to participate, perhaps?
So you provide a link, misrepresent what it says, make up things out of wholecloth, and then suggest I go find a cite to support your false claims?
FAIL. This does not increase my confidence in any claims on this subject by the right. In fact, it increases my sense that this is a manufactured issue.
So if the FDLE’s numbers are 11 arrests, but that “apparently didn’t include” at least one other case, why does the author believe the numbers are accurate? What was the cause for the omission of the Miami-Date arrests? Does it apply to other arrests?
And the big question: if there is no way to verify the identity of a voter, how WOULD non-citizens voting be identified and prosecuted? If there is no way, then how is it relevant to say there are no documented cases? The truth is that there’s no way for a documented case to exist.
Watched this the other day and recommend it to those who wonder about this issue from the perspective of election officials in Florida:
Ann McFall, supervisor of elections for Volusia County, Florida, talks with Rachel Maddow about why she’s resisting Governor Rick Scott’s call to purge voters from the voting rolls ahead of the 2012 election.
At about the ten minute mark, Rachel asks her why this is happening and she replies “I hope that it’s not some kind of partisan posturing, but I’m afraid that’s what it’s turning out to be.”
It should be noted that Ann McFall is a Republican.
Surprisingly, I’m always surprised by these debates. I’m amazed that people who claim to so value the constitutionally guaranteed right to vote, feel that taking the slightest, teensy-weeniest step to ensure that only those eligible to vote are doing so is some GREAT IMPOSITION! If the franchise is so important, what’s the big deal about voter ID laws? Especially when they take steps to accommodate the old and infirm?
Voter ID laws protect the franchise and ensure that the vote the you cast is not invalidated by an invalid one. So, stop your whining, wouldya.
I object because it disenfranchises more legal voters than illegal ones. I would rather let one illegal alien vote than prevent ten legal voters from going to the polling booth.