# Voting for someone because he's black is just as bad as NOT voting for someone because he's black. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 5, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001 "2012-11-05T20:46:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/101 "2012-11-08T17:45:30Z")
> [@fjs1fs](#): > > So David Duke garnered 9% of the black vote in Louisiana in 1990, whereas McCain could only get 4% of the black vote for President in 2008. All of the problems you cited with my comparing these two distinct populations 18 years apart are valid, no argument from me. It just seems that if a famous Klansman could get 9% of the Black vote in ANY election in the US, then a guy like McCain should be able to get at least that percentage. Assuming that the cite is accurate in the first place - it’s Free Republic - I just showed you that David Duke did about as well as George H. W. Bush did with black voters in Louisiana. And you’ve already posted that Democrats continued to gain bigger shares of the black vote in every presidential election after that. If we could compare the black vote in Louisiana over the years I think we’d see movement toward the Democrats there, too. ---
**Author:** ![fjs1fs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9e8a1a/32.png) [@fjs1fs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fjs1fs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/102 "2012-11-08T18:03:16Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Assuming that the cite is accurate in the first place - it’s Free Republic - I just showed you that David Duke did about as well as George H. W. Bush did with black voters in Louisiana. And you’ve already posted that Democrats continued to gain bigger shares of the black vote in every presidential election after that. If we could compare the black vote in Louisiana over the years I think we’d see movement toward the Democrats there, too. OK, I guess we’ll have to wait until 2016 to see if the trend continues. If we’re both still around, I’m willing to bet right now that the next Deomocratic candidate, if white, will win a lower percentage of the black vote than Obama did this time. Until then I will shut up on this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Krouget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b38774/32.png) [@Krouget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krouget)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/103 "2012-11-08T18:22:25Z")
> [@glaeken](#): > > I am reminded of some interviewer around the last time of the election asking a black women who she would be voting for and them saying who do you think? Like it was really obvious who they would be voting for. \*\* It always kind of stuck me as funny\*\* that if white person had acted in the same way with the implication being they would obviously vote for the white guy it would be looked on quite differently. To be honest, when you apply more depth to it, it’s not that funny. It has very real and relevant ties to a deep rooted history of inequality and racial/cultural division in this country, when you expand upon the motivations for such a statement. Looking at it in a vacuum, we can say “oh, double-standard”-- and from such a perspective, we’d be right; however, it would _also_ represent a gross oversimplification of the significance of the idea, or better yet, the situation, and why any given person would posses such a bold attitude. In itself, the former idea demonstrates a fair amount of indifference, and as it can be viewed as dismissive, perpetuates ideas like hers. When viewed through the grander scope of social equality, it’s just far more complex. I understand why she said it, and I also understand why it would be different had a white person said the same thing. Historically, the two have faced different hurdles when it comes to equality in this country, and within this context, the motivation for ideas and intent behind decisions, carries a much different meaning and purpose. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/104 "2012-11-08T18:29:06Z")
> [@fjs1fs](#): > > Warning. Long Post: > > HOD, You are absolutely right that the stats I have thrown out there, in addition to not being backed up with cites, have lots of problems from an apples and oranges perspective. > > My main contention has been that I think it’s clear that “large swaths” (a term used originally by Mean Old Lady and not by me) of black voters have voted for Obama because he is black. Again please note I did not say JUST because he is black–that’s quite a different statement. > > I’m not sure we can all agree on the definition of what a “large swath” is–so that is one potential cause of disagreement on whether the large swath of such minded voters actually existed. In my opinion, the percentage of the black vote that Obama garnered was so high that it clearly reflected something beyond some move “to the left.” It’s very rare to see ANY demographic vote in such huge percentages for ANY one candidate, and I defy anyone to show me a comparable statistic from another vote. My reference to the David Duke election, while not truly Apples to Apples was an attempt (in vain obviously) to quickly (because I have a job I’m supposed to be doing) find an example of a situation where I felt there should be an Obviously Very HIGH percentage of Black Voters voting for or against a given candidate. You have to admit that my Duke example should have satisfied that requirement. Here’s the site, by the way: > > [The Duke’s Victory (Ron Paul praises David Duke 1990)](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2824506/posts) > > Excerpt: “David Duke received 44% of the vote in the Senate primary race in Louisiana, 60% of the white vote and 9% of the black vote!” > > So David Duke garnered 9% of the black vote in Louisiana in 1990, whereas McCain could only get 4% of the black vote for President in 2008. All of the problems you cited with my comparing these two distinct populations 18 years apart are valid, no argument from me. It just seems that if a famous Klansman could get 9% of the Black vote in ANY election in the US, then a guy like McCain should be able to get at least that percentage. Here’s where my logic now adds the following “. . . except if his opponent was a black man trying to win an unbelievably historical Presidential election.” > > My logic isn’t perfect, but the other statistics, such as how he destroyed a very liberal Hillary Clinton among black voters, to me indicates there’s something there. But I could be wrong, and will never convince some people to agree with me. > > Another Doper chimed in about knowing three black voters who said they never voted before (I believe) and voted JUST BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK. Maybe the Doper is lying, I don’t know, and maybe they were kidding. Also, Nzinga has made a similar claim–and there doesn’t seem to be any reason for her to lie about her own vote. > > In closing, I need to make my position clear: I voted for Obama, and I can certainly understand black voters Wanting to Vote for a black Candidate. I just disagreed with the assertion made by Mean Old Lady that the number of voters who voted for him because he was black was negligible. > > Thank you for tolerating my long winded response. Isn’t there a pretty obvious explanation for the decline in Republican votes by black people in Louisiana in 2008? Hurricane Katrina and the Republican administration’s handling of it. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/105 "2012-11-08T19:08:07Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Isn’t there a pretty obvious explanation for the decline in Republican votes by black people in Louisiana in 2008? Hurricane Katrina and the Republican administration’s handling of it. Seriously, Sam, it makes f1 feel better about racism in the world to conclude that black people must have voted for Obama because he was black. So there. We’re even, right? Every time he hears a white person say they want the nigger out of the White House, he can smug to himself, “Well black people voted for Obama because he’s black, so it’s a two way street!” I mean, other racial groups voted for Obama in higher numbers too, but you know, they had reasons. Not the blacks, though. Nope. It was race. So I saw a poll on NBC News (no link, sorry, this was on TV) stating that in 2004, 49% of poll respondents said they believed the nation was on the wrong track. In 2008, 75% said so. That’s a huge jump. Man, that sure is a lot of angry black people. ---
**Author:** ![Krouget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b38774/32.png) [@Krouget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krouget)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/106 "2012-11-08T21:20:25Z")
> [@Saraya](#): > > The reality is that ‘positive’ racism is more harmful than ‘negative’ racism. The difference being that negative racism is just ignorance > Positive racism is either ignorance OR an informed decision made based on the color of someone’s skin. Both have strong roots in ignorance, can stem from conscious decisions, and are equally harmful. You’re making a distinction which isn’t defined by any of these ideas, and in the process, possibly inferring more than you intend to. > [@fjs1fs](#): > > OK, I guess we’ll have to wait until 2016 to see if the trend continues. > > If we’re both still around, I’m willing to bet right now that the next Deomocratic candidate, if white, will win a lower percentage of the black vote than Obama did this time. Until then I will shut up on this topic. The problem is that this wouldn’t prove what you think it does, without some legitimate means of validation, probably beyond our individual capacities. In the same way anecdotes have previously been applied in this thread, we can extract any number of conclusions from future results. For all we know, a generally positive Obama presidency could inspire future minorities to vote in consistent or larger numbers, making both “sides” correct. That said, the counterpoints you’ve faced in this thread, don’t necessarily disprove you in a grander sense; though I do believe they properly apply your own logic to the argument, and upon folding it unto itself to include other demographics, show that yours is hard position to debate from. In other words, I wouldn’t bet on anything, that I couldn’t unambiguously prove. Otherwise, yes, there are a number of single issue or undecided voters which exist in every election, which I think is an easier and more agreeable stance to take. As I started to allude to above, the grassroots campaign Obama used, was key in grabbing these types of voters, and we saw the results in many areas. > [@MeanOldLady](#): > > That’s a huge jump. Man, that sure is a lot of angry black people. _Large swath_ of angry black people.😛 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/107 "2012-11-08T21:24:30Z")
> [@fjs1fs](#): > > If we’re both still around, I’m willing to bet right now that the next Deomocratic candidate, if white, will win a lower percentage of the black vote than Obama did this time. Until then I will shut up on this topic. Who’s the Republican candidate and what’s his or her platform? That has to enter into the equation. ---
**Author:** ![Dorjan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dorjan/32/12440_2.png) [@Dorjan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorjan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/108 "2012-11-08T21:27:29Z")
I didn’t vote for Obama because he’s black. I voted for Obama because, along with multiple other reasons,\*\* I’M \*\*Black. Important distinction. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/109 "2012-11-08T21:35:05Z")
> [@dorjän](#): > > i didn’t vote for obama because he’s black. I voted for obama because, along with multiple other reasons,\*\* i’m \*\*black. Important distinction. hahahaaaaaaa! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/110 "2012-11-08T22:01:01Z")
> [@Dorjan](#): > > I didn’t vote for Obama because he’s black. I voted for Obama because, along with multiple other reasons,\*\* I’M \*\*Black. Important distinction. I, a white guy, didn’t vote for Obama because he’s black. But that was certainly a positive in his corner. In a racist society such as ours, race does matter, and ignoring its impact is silly. If you’re race-blind in a racist society, that’s just called being blind, and you’ll not see what’s going on. Many of my students are black. They notice that our society is racially stratified (far more than my white kids notice, in general). In 2007, they noticed that in a country 12% black, 0% of their nation’s leaders had ever been black. That told them something about their own chances. It also told their white peers something about the black students’ chances, although the white students were less likely to be aware of what they noticed. In 2008, they all noticed something new: turns out it’s possible for black people to become the most powerful person in the country. White and black kids both learned something very important then. This is not just a lesson for kids, either. None of us are really race-blind, however much some folks might like to pat themselves on the back for their pretense of race-blindness. We all notice such things. It changes the country to break the streak of white people being president. If we weren’t such a racist (or racially divided if you prefer) nation, it wouldn’t matter. But we are, so it does. Other things are important, of course. If I’d thought Clinton had been a truly better candidate than Obama, I would have voted for her. If I’d thought Biden had been a better candidate, I would have voted for him. But neither of them were better, so we got the nice plus of a black president. That said, I’ve spent my life with a white, race-conscious power structure in charge that basically looks out for people who look like me. I’ve played life on the easy setting without ever having to ask for it. Why on earth would I object to a black person who tries to change the power structure such that it spends just a titch more time looking out for people who look like them? As long as it’s still so overwhelming biased in favor of folks who look like me, that’d be mighty graceless of me. ---
**Author:** ![SouthernGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@SouthernGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SouthernGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/111 "2012-11-08T23:36:58Z")
racism[rey-siz-uh m] noun 1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races -Dictionary.com ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/112 "2012-11-09T00:43:22Z")
> [@SouthernGuy](#): > > racism[rey-siz-uh m] > noun > 1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others. > 2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. > 3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races > > -Dictionary.com non se·qui·tur/ˌnän ˈsekwitər/ Noun: A conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. Synonyms: paralogism ---
**Author:** ![SouthernGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@SouthernGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SouthernGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2012, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/113 "2012-11-09T03:19:47Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > non se·qui·tur/ˌnän ˈsekwitər/ > Noun: > A conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. > Synonyms: > paralogism Yeah well, it wasn’t supposed to follow the previous statement. I only ready the first page or two. I’m a bit tired of reading after spending the last week reading the voter ID thread in the Pit. All 42(?) pages of it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/114 "2012-11-09T03:29:47Z")
> [@SouthernGuy](#): > > Yeah well, it wasn’t supposed to follow the previous statement. I only ready the first page or two. I’m a bit tired of reading after spending the last week reading the voter ID thread in the Pit. All 42(?) pages of it. Saying, “I didn’t bother to read the whole thread before adding a useless non sequitur post of my own” isn’t exactly a strong defense of your behavior. ---
**Author:** ![SouthernGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@SouthernGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SouthernGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2012, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/115 "2012-11-09T13:01:14Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Saying, “I didn’t bother to read the whole thread before adding a useless non sequitur post of my own” isn’t exactly a strong defense of your behavior. Ok. I didn’t read one page of the thread. I did however read where some people used completely different definitions of the word which was causing some confusion. I posted the definition as it stands on [Dictionary.com](http://Dictionary.com) as a means to offer another perspective(provided those readers would acknowledge one). What behavior would that be? If the problem stands that I didn’t quote them to avoid more confusion and add emphasis in the part that was relevant then I will do so next time. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/116 "2012-11-09T15:05:32Z")
> [@SouthernGuy](#): > > Ok. I didn’t read one page of the thread. I did however read where some people used completely different definitions of the word which was causing some confusion. I posted the definition as it stands on [Dictionary.com](http://Dictionary.com) as a means to offer another perspective(provided those readers would acknowledge one). What behavior would that be? If the problem stands that I didn’t quote them to avoid more confusion and add emphasis in the part that was relevant then I will do so next time. But the [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) cite has three different definitions, so it’s useless for what you were aiming for. Plus real-life uses of words, especially big concept words like racism, are not always encapsulated in a dictionary definition. It’s also kinda insulting to assume that everyone but you is incapable of using a dictionary. It’s really quite an annoying thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![SouthernGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@SouthernGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SouthernGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/117 "2012-11-09T16:13:47Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > But the [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) cite has three different definitions, so it’s useless for what you were aiming for. Plus real-life uses of words, especially big concept words like racism, are not always encapsulated in a dictionary definition. It’s also kinda insulting to assume that everyone but you is incapable of using a dictionary. It’s really quite an annoying thing to do. That was not my intent.(To imply others are imcapable of using a dictionary) I apologize. I was more or less posting to show that there **are** multiple definitions to the word that could have applied to someone’s argument instead of sticking to a sole definition. I should have specified who my post applied to and I mentioned that earlier. We should stop derailing this thread. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/118 "2012-11-10T07:09:13Z")
There is no white culture. There is a black culture. The black culture came about because its members were discriminated against and banded together. The same thing happened with white people, but not all into one basic group. The different minorities became their own cultures, losing the other distinctions between them. The only real “white culture” is amongst white supremacists, who are, of course, a minority. You cannot equate voting for a black person because you are black and voting for a white person because you are white. You can say they’re both racist, but it’s the same type of racism that allows for “black only” organizations but not white ones. It’s acceptable racism. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/119 "2012-11-10T20:35:43Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > There is no white culture. There is a black culture. The black culture came about because its members were discriminated against and banded together. The same thing happened with white people, but not all into one basic group. The different minorities became their own cultures, losing the other distinctions between them. The only real “white culture” is amongst white supremacists, who are, of course, a minority. > > You cannot equate voting for a black person because you are black and voting for a white person because you are white. You can say they’re both racist, but it’s the same type of racism that allows for “black only” organizations but not white ones. It’s acceptable racism. OK I’ll bite. Why the hell would you think that there is “black culture” but not “white culture?” Do you really think “acceptable racism” is a good idea? Isn’t that just going to lead to more racism? And isn’t increasing racism going to ultimately hurt black people in the long run? ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001/120 "2012-11-10T20:59:12Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > OK I’ll bite. Why the hell would you think that there is “black culture” but not “white culture?”\ What do you mean, ‘I’ll bite’? He already fed it to you. Spit it out or chew. He said white people group off in sub cultures ( Italian community, Irish community,etc.) while black people tended to cleave together… The atmosphere of being poor, oppressed, disenfranchised and excluded created a culture of food and music and art that reflected that environment. Of course you may not agree with that, but to me it seemed clear what Big T was saying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-for-someone-because-hes-black-is-just-as-bad-as-not-voting-for-someone-because-hes-black/640001.md?page=7)