# Voyager and the Borg **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 2, 2001, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387 "2001-12-02T00:57:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2001, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/21 "2001-12-03T21:40:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cliffy \* > So most of the blame goes to TNG which defanged the Borg (so as to make a good two-part episode, **Descent** , and a ripping good movie, **First Contact** ) well before Voyager got there. But its just SOOOOO much easier to rip on Voyager! when i dis on TNG i feel pains of guilt, but Voyager has none of that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2001, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/22 "2001-12-04T01:06:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\* Voyager has none of that. \*\* Let’s see, Seven of Nine and Deja Thoris are…? ---
**Author:** ![tronvillain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/51bf81/32.png) [@tronvillain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tronvillain)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2001, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/23 "2001-12-04T08:36:37Z")
Actually the Borg remind me of Doctor Who’s Daleks. For all their supposed efficiency and adaptibility, they don’t really seem especially efficient or adaptable. They are strangely limited - in many ways they remind me of Doctor Who’s Daleks. Hey, did anyone read Shatner’s book where it turned out that the machine planet that created V’Ger was the Borg homeworld? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2001, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/24 "2001-12-04T15:30:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\* > Let’s see, Seven of Nine and Deja Thoris are…? \*\* Well, Seven of Nine isn’t naked, like all good Barsoomian folk…and she needs red tinted skin, like the fair Dejah. (Of course, now **John Carter of Mars** is gonna come in here and get mad…) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2001, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/25 "2001-12-04T16:07:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\* > Well, Seven of Nine isn’t naked, \*\* What was that episode with Q’s kid? Anyway, what I heard about them and Woola…Carter _should_ be angry. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2001, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/26 "2001-12-04T16:59:43Z")
OK, who thinks the Borg will show up in _Enterprise_ (somehow) before the end of the season? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2001, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/27 "2001-12-04T17:42:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tanstaafl \* > \*\*Borg show up in _Enterprise_ \*\* Time changed with _First Contact_; NX01 looks like Akira. The Borg showed up early with 7 of 9’s parents. Let’s hope not. Hmmm…what would Archer say? “Hi! We’re from…Earth! I have a dog!” ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2001, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/28 "2001-12-04T17:53:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\* > Hmmm…what would Archer say? > “Hi! We’re from…Earth! I have a dog!” \*\* Borg dude: “What? you don’t even have sheilds?!?! you are not worthy of assimilation. see you in 200 years!” of course, Archer would sleep with the Borg Queen first… ---
**Author:** ![tronvillain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/51bf81/32.png) [@tronvillain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tronvillain)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2001, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/29 "2001-12-04T20:45:48Z")
I see my last post demonstrates the importance of previewing - a rewrite and edit resulted in saying the same thing twice. Anyway, [myths](http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html) three and four make some interesting points about the borg. ---
**Author:** ![SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2001, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/30 "2001-12-04T23:43:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tronvillain \* > \*\*I see my last post demonstrates the importance of previewing - a rewrite and edit resulted in saying the same thing twice. Anyway, [myths](http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html) three and four make some interesting points about the borg. \*\* [threadjack] I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again; Star Warriors who just repeat stuff the Mike Wrong post’s don’t impress me. Geez! He ain’t God! While he does have a rather dazzling display of logic, I think he makes to many assumptions. (By that same token, trekkies make wwwaaayyyy to many assumptions). [/threadjack] ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2001, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/31 "2001-12-05T05:07:04Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **tronvillain** _ > > Hey, did anyone read Shatner’s book where it turned out that the machine planet that created V’Ger was the Borg homeworld? Yup - and they wouldn’t assimilate Spock because he had mind-melded with V’Ger. 🙂 I’m getting Preserver for Christmas in paperback. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2001, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/32 "2001-12-05T06:33:48Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again; Star Warriors who just repeat stuff the Mike Wrong post’s don’t impress me. Geez! He ain’t God! But he does make some good points. IMOSHO, Curtis Saxton makes better ones. ---
**Author:** ![tronvillain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/51bf81/32.png) [@tronvillain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tronvillain)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2001, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/33 "2001-12-05T08:27:33Z")
SpaceGhostofArrakis, I have no idea what you’re talking about - while I like Star Wars, I’m certainly not a “Star Warrior.” If anything I’m a Trekkie (hell, I usually watch Star Trek a couple of times a day), but that doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy Mike’s analyses or complain about the truly bizarre aspects of Trek. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2001, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/34 "2001-12-05T10:31:49Z")
Well, Tronny, people who use Wong’s site as a reference are often called “DoW” (Disciple of Wong) and are often ignored outright… wrongfully, I might add. While I disagree with some of Wong’s numbers - and his presentation - I am of the opinion that the majority of it is dead-on, AND serves as a nice starting point. But, then, we’re getting back to the whole “SW vs. ST” debate… and… well… this thread’s been hijacked enough as it is! ---
**Author:** ![SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2001, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/35 "2001-12-05T20:30:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tronvillain \* > \*\*SpaceGhostofArrakis, I have no idea what you’re talking about - while I like Star Wars, I’m certainly not a “Star Warrior.” If anything I’m a Trekkie (hell, I usually watch Star Trek a couple of times a day), but that doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy Mike’s analyses or complain about the truly bizarre aspects of Trek. \*\* [Getting even more off course here] Then I probaly read to much into your post, sorry. I like Wong’s reasoning too. (But not all of it. I think his numbers and descriptions of the Imperial Size are a bit dodgy). Sorry if I pissed you off. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2001, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387/36 "2001-12-05T20:42:00Z")
I got the impression Wong doesn’t like rabid trekkers, while living in denile that he is an uber-nerd himself. He has a Star Wars website, for crying out loud! that don’t make the girls swoon (most girls). and lets try to steer this back to topic: the Borg were wimpified, but if i wrote, they’ed appear once a year or two, and kill kill kill!!! they’d be so freakin’ scary, the episode would have to be aired late at night! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voyager-and-the-borg/96387.md?page=1)