# VP Debates Thread, or "Beauty and the Beast" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 5, 2004, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649 "2004-10-05T15:08:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/221 "2004-10-06T02:19:53Z")
If the best defense if a good offense, then isn’t Bush’s strategy a good one? Does Edwards even know what he is talking about? Was this question even about 9/11? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/222 "2004-10-06T02:19:58Z")
> [@DtC](#): > > Anyone with any brains or conscience should be able to see the evil radiating off of Cheney in waves, though. :rolleyes: > [@DtC](#): > > I agree that Cheney seems to be doing well but that’s only because he’s not letting himself be encumbered by facts. He’s just blithely lying his way through every answer. It seems like he’s making points when he’s actually just making stuff up out of his asshole. Well, see…thing is that Chaney HASN’T lied about everything. Guess what? Edwards hasn’t told the truth about everything either. Sheesh, give it a rest. These guys are POLITICIANS DtC…that means lieing is their business. Its interesting only in that you swallow Edwards lies while rejecting anything Chaney says at all, characterizing EVERYTHING he says as a ‘lie’. -XT p.s. Pretty funny…Edwards just blew it TWICE on the ‘talk about your boss but don’t use his name’ rule. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/223 "2004-10-06T02:20:05Z")
kinda clumsey Mr. Edward. It’s simple. Don’t say Kerry. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/224 "2004-10-06T02:20:16Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Anyone with any brains or conscience should be able to see the evil radiating off of Cheney in waves, though. You really need to take a break. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/225 "2004-10-06T02:20:18Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > The debate is not being transmitted in HDTV, or I’d have a better answer for you, but it looks like a silver square with rounded corners, surrounding a similar shape in black. I can’t make out any writing, signs, or symbols. Looks ROUND to me . . . a silver circle with a black circle in the center . . . like some kind of eye . . . I am getting sleepy . . . CLUCK-CLUCK-CLUCK! ---
**Author:** ![presidebt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c37758/32.png) [@presidebt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/presidebt)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/226 "2004-10-06T02:20:54Z")
Broke the rule twice. That was not good, and Cheney knew it, hence the smirk. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/227 "2004-10-06T02:21:15Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Awww…I bet you say that to all the male posters. > > 🙂 Dude. Pay attention. I’m a dude. Dude. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/228 "2004-10-06T02:21:49Z")
Wait…which candidate wears flip-flops? I really think the president/candidate should be dressing with more dignity. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/229 "2004-10-06T02:21:50Z")
I still haven’t heard Edwards lie about anything. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/230 "2004-10-06T02:22:24Z")
Oh, yeah? YOUR’E a flip-flopper! I’m rubber, you’re glue . . . ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/231 "2004-10-06T02:22:38Z")
One of the best questions so far: What’s wrong with a little flip-flopping? I don’t expect we’ll get an honest answer without each pointing out how much FF’ing the other has done. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/232 "2004-10-06T02:22:41Z")
Ooh! Ooh! Tell me more about how the **Mod** is doing. I love that part. Say that again, slowly… **MOD** 😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/233 "2004-10-06T02:23:21Z")
Man, all this talk about flipping makes me want a pancake _real_ bad ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/234 "2004-10-06T02:24:24Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Anyone with any brains or conscience should be able to see the evil radiating off of Cheney in waves, though. > [@](#): > > You really need to take a break. Seriously. No. Really. I had to go three channels up to get past the Cheney glow. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/235 "2004-10-06T02:24:33Z")
> [@presidebt](#): > > Broke the rule twice. That was not good, and Cheney knew it, hence the smirk. Feh…rules were made to be pissed on. It was a stupid rule anyway. What is this, a game show? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/236 "2004-10-06T02:24:36Z")
Flip flops - EyeRock? I thought it was Iraq(?). Not enough troops, no plan - good point. 9/11 flip flop, Homeland Security flip flop, Social Security flip flop, combat pay flip flop, no child left behind flip flop, patient rights. Good shots there. Cheney’s answers are not powerful enough. Kerry fired back about not financing the mandates levied. Edwards is doing OK on this one. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/237 "2004-10-06T02:24:44Z")
**Diogenes** is right. Cheney’s a soulless scumbucket, and millions of Republican-leaning voters are thinking hard right now about the prospect of a President Cheney. And shuddering. ---
**Author:** ![presidebt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c37758/32.png) [@presidebt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/presidebt)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/238 "2004-10-06T02:24:55Z")
> [@Patty O'Furniture](#): > > One of the best questions so far: What’s wrong with a little flip-flopping? I don’t expect we’ll get an honest answer without each pointing out how much FF’ing the other has done. Agreed, that was a good question. This was a draw for me until the last 10 minutes. Cheney’s doing a bit better than Edwards, but not by much. (Kerry supporter, ftr) ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/239 "2004-10-06T02:25:33Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Feh…rules were made to be pissed on. It was a stupid rule anyway. What is this, a game show? Welcome to…DODGE THE QUESTION!! where the objective is to answer questions asked five minutes ago! ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/240 "2004-10-06T02:26:41Z")
> [@presidebt](#): > > Broke the rule twice. That was not good, and Cheney knew it, hence the smirk. I was confused about that, what was the rule - they weren’t supposed to say the presidential candidates full name? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649.md?page=13)