# VP Debates Thread, or "Beauty and the Beast" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 5, 2004, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649 "2004-10-05T15:08:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/241 "2004-10-06T02:27:09Z")
Someone is performing the most godawful version of “God Bless America” that I’ve ever heard at the Yankees-Twins game right now. And that’s a horrible song to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/242 "2004-10-06T02:27:29Z")
“Senator Kerry and I have a plan!” Yeah, right here in my pocket. I’ve heard that at least three times on three subjects. Mind letting us know what’s in these wonderful plans? Seriously, it’s frustrating for someone who really wants to hear a reason to vote against Bush. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/243 "2004-10-06T02:27:48Z")
“They key is to get Iraqis to take over their own security [rather than toss more American troops in there].” ~Cheney Oh, dear, Cheney. Without a strong backing and updated training, they won’t be able to face the threats we helped create in their country. They need our fucking help and you should know it you cowardly bastard. We need to be there to combat corruption that so easily arises in these times, see, f’rex, Vietnam. Been mentioned a few times in this campaign for other reasons but I think there are some lessons we could have learned there. I have a serious question almost barely related to this current debate. It has always been my understanding that what congress authorized was the use of force if necessary, not a direct declaration of immediate war on Iraq. This being the case, if anyone changed their minds, could they have really flip-flopped? Or is my understanding totally off-base? Someone please help this troubled soul. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/244 "2004-10-06T02:28:01Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > I was confused about that, what was the rule - they weren’t supposed to say the presidential candidates full name? The veepers were supposed to be talking about themselves and the differences between them, not the big boys on the ticket. You’d think politicians would be good at talking about themselves. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/245 "2004-10-06T02:28:21Z")
Hey, the mod brought up my Great Debate question [Revisited 3.5 years later. Bush: Uniter or Divider](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=265314) (Anybody excited about how the SDMB is working. Woohoo for the new server!) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/246 "2004-10-06T02:28:58Z")
> [@BG](#): > > Diogenes is right. Cheney’s a soulless scumbucket, and millions of Republican-leaning voters are thinking hard right now about the prospect of a President Cheney. And shuddering. Cite?? 😃😃😃 Actually I think you are wrong…I think Republicans are actually taking a new look at him. I can only go by my own Republican…a.k.a. my wife. SHE was always creeped out by Chaney. Now, she is starting to think he’s not so bad. 🙂 -XT ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/247 "2004-10-06T02:29:09Z")
> [@Random](#): > > “Senator Kerry and I have a plan!” Yeah, right here in my pocket. I’ve heard that at least three times on three subjects. Mind letting us know what’s in these wonderful plans? I share your frustration. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/248 "2004-10-06T02:29:13Z")
Back to Health Care! Whiplash! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/249 "2004-10-06T02:29:36Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > “They key is to get Iraqis to take over their own security [rather than toss more American troops in there].” ~Cheney We call this policy “Vietnamization.” And we’ll bring the troops home. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/250 "2004-10-06T02:30:25Z")
Cheney > [@](#): > > It’s hard to know where to start. I can imagine. Nobody even knows what the question was to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/251 "2004-10-06T02:31:42Z")
Edwards brought up his mill worker daddy. :drink: ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/252 "2004-10-06T02:31:46Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > **Diogenes** is right. Cheney’s a soulless scumbucket, and millions of Republican-leaning voters are thinking hard right now about the prospect of a President Cheney. And shuddering. Ask **Dio** where he is taking his break. You need one too. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/253 "2004-10-06T02:32:07Z")
:rolleyes: Just knew Edwards was gonna find a way to bring up the “son of a millworker” thing . . . ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/254 "2004-10-06T02:32:40Z")
We have a plan. Everybody drink! ---
**Author:** ![presidebt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c37758/32.png) [@presidebt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/presidebt)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/255 "2004-10-06T02:32:49Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Cheney > > I can imagine. Nobody even knows what the question was to begin with. Bush said that a couple of times in the debate with Kerry last week too. ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/256 "2004-10-06T02:32:51Z")
“An empty chair at your table!” It’s Dickensesque! ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/257 "2004-10-06T02:33:09Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > We have a plan. Everybody drink! That’s the best plan I’ve heard all election. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/258 "2004-10-06T02:33:09Z")
Drain the bottle if Cheney’s human-voice chip gives out during his closing statement, and he begins speaking in raw binary! ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/259 "2004-10-06T02:33:14Z")
Closing arguements. Edwards…weak IMO. Should have closed out stronger I think. -XT ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/260 "2004-10-06T02:33:30Z")
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