# VP Debates Thread, or "Beauty and the Beast" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 5, 2004, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649 "2004-10-05T15:08:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/281 "2004-10-06T02:38:37Z")
I think it went slightly to Cheney, but only the firmly decided watched it to that point. The undecided turned it to the Cartoon Network after 5 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/282 "2004-10-06T02:39:07Z")
Good closing statements from both. I dunno. I was prepared for a Dole-esque snarl from Cheney, like “Stop lying about my record” \. Didn’t get that. But Edwards held his own, while IMO parroting a few more soundbites than Cheney, who often seemed more spontaneous even as he droned. Still on CSPAN-2–see the guys shake Gwen’s hand, and she does the arm-squeeze thing. Adorable tow-headed son hoisted, cute widdle girl waving. Cheneys look cute enough too. Don’t see lezzie daughter, but she does have a life. Cheney going out of his way to talk nicely to plump and pretty Elizabeth Edwards. Aww, Edwards introducing the VP to varioius Edwardians. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/283 "2004-10-06T02:40:10Z")
Look at me, America! I have KIDS! Cute little blonde KIDS! And they’re probably not homosexuals! ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/284 "2004-10-06T02:40:59Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Look at me, America! I have KIDS! Cute little blonde KIDS! And they’re probably not homosexuals! Not that there’s anything wrong with that. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/285 "2004-10-06T02:41:13Z")
Hey, Folks, this really made it worth watching. See y’all from St. Louis… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/286 "2004-10-06T02:42:49Z")
All in all, I think it was a wash. Nobody cares about the veep debates anway. At least Edwards didn’t lie about anything. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/287 "2004-10-06T02:43:45Z")
2 zip top of the 8th. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/288 "2004-10-06T02:44:08Z")
OK–was Cheney’s daughter up on stage or not? I though I didn’t see her. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/289 "2004-10-06T02:44:35Z")
Ok, so there it was…will it matter at all?? My opinion…won’t make a bit of difference. The partisans (you still here DtC) are sold already. The ‘undecided voters’…are still going to be undecided. Only the presidential debates matter…if even they matter that much. Great thread. 🙂 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/290 "2004-10-06T02:45:35Z")
So much build up for so little. If it wasn’t for the MST3K style debate thread, I would’ve gone to TNT to watch a law and order rerun. I don’t think that this will have any impact at all on anything in particular. All in all, kind of a waste. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/291 "2004-10-06T02:46:05Z")
I’m still chickling over the heart plug remark. “Aaaahhhh Where’s my doctor! Ah ha ha ha!” ROFL ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/292 "2004-10-06T02:46:33Z")
I didn’t know you could watch math on tv? (Edwards father) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/293 "2004-10-06T02:47:25Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > I didn’t know you could watch math on tv? > (Edwards father) Sure you can. Sesame Street. It’s time to count with the Count. ---
**Author:** ![presidebt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c37758/32.png) [@presidebt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/presidebt)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/294 "2004-10-06T02:47:34Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > All in all, kind of a waste. Not necessarily. Plenty of good material for _The Daily Show._ Ten minutes! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/295 "2004-10-06T02:47:48Z")
I think it’s obvious to the American people that Edwards was ducking the whole lapel-pin issue. This isn’t going to play well with the ‘we like to know what lapel pin that is’ crowd. > [@Mehitabel](#): > > OK–was Cheney’s daughter up on stage or not? I though I didn’t see her. Yep. With her SO. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/296 "2004-10-06T02:48:48Z")
> [@presidebt](#): > > Not necessarily. Plenty of good material for _The Daily Show._ Ten minutes! 😉 Is the Daily show going live after this? Seems kinda pointless. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/297 "2004-10-06T02:49:49Z")
Being the total bastard that I am, I was really hoping it would get a lot nastier. All in all, it was pretty tame. ---
**Author:** ![presidebt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c37758/32.png) [@presidebt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/presidebt)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/298 "2004-10-06T02:50:02Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Sure you can. Sesame Street. It’s time to count with the Count. I don’t know about where you live, but here they have daily programs on PBS called _GED on TV._ They probably didn’t have that show back then, but there may have been something like it, educational for adults. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/299 "2004-10-06T02:50:41Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Edwards got some good points in, but he should have been stronger. Cheney did pretty good at deflecting the difficult stuff. That’s about where I come out. Cheney was pretty slimy…Kerry and Edwards point out that the “coalition” wasn’t a very balanced one with us paying 90% of costs and causalties. So, Cheney says, “Your not counting the Iraqis…That is demeaning to them.” Well, that’s because we are talking about the coalition that went in there…not because we are demeaning them. I wish Edwards had jumped on him more on that. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/300 "2004-10-06T02:51:15Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > All in all, I think it was a wash. Nobody cares about the veep debates anway. > > At least Edwards didn’t lie about anything. Still the same reply Do the words “consistant position” have any meaning to you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649.md?page=16)