# VP Debates Thread, or "Beauty and the Beast" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 5, 2004, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649 "2004-10-05T15:08:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![presidebt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c37758/32.png) [@presidebt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/presidebt)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/81 "2004-10-06T01:29:50Z")
It’s worth watching for the eyeball war alone. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/82 "2004-10-06T01:30:32Z")
Cheney: You don’t have the balls for the war Edwards: Yes we do! Vampire Lord Cheney: No you don’t! Scooter Edwards: Yes we do!! ARRRRGGGHHHHH!!! :mad: :mad: Say something else!! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/83 "2004-10-06T01:30:37Z")
Goddammit, that’s enough about Iraq! Can’t the mod move on to tax policy and the jobless rate?! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/84 "2004-10-06T01:30:54Z")
“Hey, that 90% of casualties being Americans doesn’t count all the _Iraqi’s_ that we’ve killed! How dare you demean their sacrifice!” What a scumbag. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![TommyTutone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c4cdca/32.png) [@TommyTutone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TommyTutone)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/85 "2004-10-06T01:30:55Z")
I didn’t catch all the rules to the debate, but it looks like their breaking most of them. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/86 "2004-10-06T01:31:28Z")
Edwards is flailing. (and I scored the first debate as a Kerry win.) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/87 "2004-10-06T01:31:32Z")
> [@TommyTutone](#): > > I didn’t catch all the rules to the debate, but it looks like their breaking most of them. Good for them. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/88 "2004-10-06T01:32:02Z")
Did Cheney just say that they didn’t have more countries helping out in Iraq because Kerry called the countries involved “the coalition of the coerced and bribed”? ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/89 "2004-10-06T01:32:50Z")
Yup. And he did. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/90 "2004-10-06T01:33:48Z")
> [@Random](#): > > C’mon, Edwards, answer the question. Howe are you going to bring in France, Germany and others? By getting rid of Bush. That’s all it’ll take. ---
**Author:** ![presidebt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c37758/32.png) [@presidebt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/presidebt)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/91 "2004-10-06T01:35:00Z")
> [@Random](#): > > Edwards is flailing. (and I scored the first debate as a Kerry win.) I disagree. I think it’s a draw so far. They are both doing what VPs do in elections–going for the throat. It’s been pretty aggressive so far, as debates go, and certainly compared to the Pres. debate. PS: Edwards is hot! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/92 "2004-10-06T01:35:28Z")
> [@Random](#): > > Yup. And he did. Cuz they ARE. But that’s not why they’re not in Iraq. They actually agree with Kerry. They were duped. Just ask Poland. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/93 "2004-10-06T01:35:33Z")
Great debate. I think Chaney is edging ahead a bit…sorry guys. He is maintaining his calm but also showing some passion. Masterful. Edwards isn’t doing bad mind you…but his rebuttals have been weak IMHO, and if he keeps it up he might be perceived as being annoying. I can’t wait to see how the pannel of ‘undecided voters’ judges this one after its over. I agree with BG though…lets get off the frigging foriegn policy stuff and start talking some domestic issues! -XT ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/94 "2004-10-06T01:36:27Z")
I must say I did like Cheney’s statement about respecting the Iraqis who are trying to help us. This is like the grown-up debate. Even the occasional peeviness is more mature. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/95 "2004-10-06T01:36:46Z")
New rule for the drinking game. If at any time either of these chimps gives a straight answer to the question asked, down every drop of alcohol on the house and shoot yourself in the head because it’ll likely be the end of the world. Cheney brought up Libya and their surrender. Come on Edwards! Bush didn’t start the policy on Libya! Why should he get to take credit? ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/96 "2004-10-06T01:36:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Cheney: > > We haven’t dealt with Iran the same way we dealt with Iraq because Iran hasn’t violated twelve years of UN sanctions… Great. Bush/Cheney is going to wait twelve years before doing anything with regard to Iran? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/97 "2004-10-06T01:36:58Z")
Whats that lapel pin Edwards has on? ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/98 "2004-10-06T01:37:45Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > I’m having trouble hearing Cheney, he seems to be a bit mumbley. I have my volume up high and I can hear Edwards quite clearly. Cheney is leaning over and his mike is being covered up by, and sometimes rubbing against, his jacket’s lapel. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/99 "2004-10-06T01:38:40Z")
And the moderator gets the zinger on Cheney. Can I vote for her? “I can respond but I’ll need more than thirty seconds.” “Well that’s all you’ve got.” I like her. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/100 "2004-10-06T01:39:03Z")
Cheney’s getting REAMED over Halliburton! I love it! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649.md?page=6)