# VP Debates Thread, or "Beauty and the Beast" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 5, 2004, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649 "2004-10-05T15:08:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/101 "2004-10-06T01:39:25Z")
Ooh, he brought up Halliburton! ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/102 "2004-10-06T01:39:33Z")
[factcheck.com](http://factcheck.com)? try .org ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/103 "2004-10-06T01:40:27Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Whats that lapel pin Edwards has on? [Neidermeyer] Is that a Pledge Pen you have on? [/Neidermeyer] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/104 "2004-10-06T01:42:10Z")
OOOH! Edwards said, “Crack down on the Saudis!” And Cheney said he was gonna talk about Halliburton and he just changed the subject to Edwards’ Senate attendance record! Ain’t gonna work, Dick! ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/105 "2004-10-06T01:42:30Z")
Edwards seemed genuinely hurt by the “how dare you demean their sacrifices” line. But as for Cheney’s charisma level, I think it’s somewhere in the “eldritch horror” range. Wow. He comes across as a no-bullshit guy (or would if one didn’t listen to the content of what he says), but he’s the most condescending and unfriendly political debater I’ve ever watched. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/106 "2004-10-06T01:42:33Z")
Edwards wants to crack down on the Saudis? Ballsy move, but tough to back up. Now Cheney is circling Halliburton and he’s bringing up Edwards attendance. Is he going to give Edwards detention, and why even bring it up? DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE A POINT!?!?!? ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/107 "2004-10-06T01:42:44Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > By getting rid of Bush. That’s all it’ll take. France and Germany have expressly said otherwise. Source: Financial Times ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/108 "2004-10-06T01:42:56Z")
They aren’t answering the questions. What Edwards DID say about Israel (though why THIS would be brought up is wierd too)…was again odd. As to Halliburton, I’m sick of that. Chaney seems to have handled it well, but gods…get over it already. And ANSWER THE FRIGGING QUESTIONS!! -XT ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/109 "2004-10-06T01:43:22Z")
Did Cheney just suggest that Saddam has been attacking Israel all this time? Where have I been? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/110 "2004-10-06T01:43:37Z")
And now Edwards is hammering Cheney’s voting record! Go for it! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/111 "2004-10-06T01:43:50Z")
Did Cheney actually answer the question about Israel? ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/112 "2004-10-06T01:43:53Z")
This is just starting to turn into a cat fight. Edwards is going to slap Cheney and then Cheney is going to pull Edwards hair. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/113 "2004-10-06T01:44:29Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Did Cheney actually answer the question about Israel? Yes. Support two states and all that. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/114 "2004-10-06T01:44:36Z")
Whoa! It’s gettin’ nasty! ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/115 "2004-10-06T01:45:11Z")
Well, Edwards SHOULD do better now…they are on the domestic policy stuff (FINALLY). -XT ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/116 "2004-10-06T01:45:16Z")
Whoa, Edwards points out that Cheney voted against: -the holiday for Martin Luther King -Meals on Wheels for seniors! Yeah, Cheney, you Scrooge! Cheney tries to tie Saddam and suicide bombers in Israel. Yeah, Dick, we do need jobs. Then why has your admin lost more jobs than any president since Herbert fucking Hoover? ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/117 "2004-10-06T01:46:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Cheney’s getting REAMED over Halliburton! I love it! 😃 I don’t know about that, he made it look like he could defend himself easily, but the format wouldn’t let him, and made it look like he really wanted to but the moderator wouldn’t let him, and passed out an “objective” citation that he knows no-one will bother to check out. The man has skills at debate. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/118 "2004-10-06T01:46:32Z")
> [@DtC](#): > > Did Cheney actually answer the question about Israel? Yes…he just chose not to re-rebut Edwards digression. These guys need to learn to stay on topic. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/119 "2004-10-06T01:47:23Z")
Sly…Edwards hits Cheney about being off topic on the jobs issues. It’s a shame neither of them have been on topic all night.] Sayeth the kettle “Pot, how black thou art.” ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/120 "2004-10-06T01:47:41Z")
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