# VP Debates Thread, or "Beauty and the Beast" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 5, 2004, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649 "2004-10-05T15:08:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/121 "2004-10-06T01:48:09Z")
Edwards is talking about the net job loss, and Cheney looks like he’s suffering a sudden, wicked flareup of Irritable Bowel Syndrome! ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/122 "2004-10-06T01:48:10Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Yes…he just chose not to re-rebut Edwards digression. These guys need to learn to stay on topic. > > -XT Was that after is 90 second digression on Edward’s voting record? What does No Child Left Behind have to do with people losing jobs? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/123 "2004-10-06T01:48:18Z")
Dammit, Beave, reveal to us the true nature of your mysterious lapel pin! ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/124 "2004-10-06T01:48:41Z")
Thanks, **Reeder**. That made me smile. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/125 "2004-10-06T01:49:25Z")
“Benefits” from No Child Left Behind? I think Cheney’s starting to chew on the inside of his cheek. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/126 "2004-10-06T01:49:27Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Dammit, Beave, reveal to us the true nature of your mysterious lapel pin! The way things are going, he’ll talk about the lapel pin when asked about medicare. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/127 "2004-10-06T01:49:39Z")
> [@Random](#): > > Did Cheney just say that they didn’t have more countries helping out in Iraq because Kerry called the countries involved “the coalition of the coerced and bribed”? > [@Random](#): > > Yup. And he did. Oh, I know Kerry said that, I just can’t believe Cheney was using that as the reason that other countries did not want to join the coalition. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/128 "2004-10-06T01:50:10Z")
“I don’t think this country can TAKE four more years of this kind of ‘experience.’” There’s John’s sound-byte for the evening! ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/129 "2004-10-06T01:50:18Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > The way things are going, he’ll talk about the lapel pin when asked about medicare. I thought you said MANICURE… like [Foxnews.com](http://Foxnews.com) was saying…hehe ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/130 "2004-10-06T01:50:59Z")
When Cheney leans over for the handshake, THEN we’ll find out what that lapel pin does! Heh-heh-heh! ---
**Author:** ![Brandus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@Brandus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brandus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/131 "2004-10-06T01:51:01Z")
Edwards is being ripped a new one. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cheney took off his shoe and banged it on the table, shouting “We will bury you!” ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/132 "2004-10-06T01:51:22Z")
Okay, Edwards is hitting Cheney on the debt and bringing up the tax increase for over 200k to fund programs. It’s even mildly on topic. Being honest about the deficit…progress being made… ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/133 "2004-10-06T01:51:24Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > The way things are going, he’ll talk about the lapel pin when asked about medicare. Heh, then Cheney will rebut with strong support for the Magna Carta or something. Still, this debate is a trillion times more interesting than the last. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/134 "2004-10-06T01:52:23Z")
Oops, sorry I messed up the coding in my last post. The first quote was mine, I made the mistake of copying the quote box and not changing the name… That’s what I get for posting when I’m tired as all get out and Cheney’s voice is putting me to sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/135 "2004-10-06T01:52:27Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Heh, then Cheney will rebut with strong support for the Magna Carta or something. Still, this debate is a trillion times more interesting than the last. Only because we never know what the answer will be and can barely remember what the original question was. I’m not even sure who I am anymore. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/136 "2004-10-06T01:52:28Z")
Well, I was wrong…unless this economic BS is appealing to Edwards base. Appeals to emotion and a lot of crapola. He is actually claiming with a straight face that the last 4 years is the worst economic turn around in the history of the country?? Come on. And he avoided the question about HOW Kerry will pay for all those new programs by simply getting rid of the Bush tax cuts…for only those making $200k or more of course. :rolleyes: -XT ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/137 "2004-10-06T01:53:01Z")
Cheney: Mumble mumble…Kerry wants to give the government more control over individual citizens…blah blah blah… Hey Dick-who’s the one who wants to make laws about who people can marry? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/138 "2004-10-06T01:53:03Z")
Cheney’s just fucking lying through his teeth on every question. Oh, well, I guess it’s always worked for that Bushies before. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/139 "2004-10-06T01:53:17Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Minnesota 1…Yankees 0 > > 4 double plays in 5 innings by the Twins. > > Santanna doesn’t have his best stuff tonight. Nor does Mussina. All the twinkies have to do is walk away with a win. Doesn’t matter if it’s 20 points or 1. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/140 "2004-10-06T01:53:24Z")
Edwards made a great point about Halliburton… it was being investigated, and federal law does say the funds should have been put in a “holding bin” (my words for it). By the way, they were being investigated. Cheney was able to deflect it to Edwards attendance record. Cheney may not be Mr. Warmth, but he does know how to hold his own. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649.md?page=8)