# VP Debates Thread, or "Beauty and the Beast" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 5, 2004, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649 "2004-10-05T15:08:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/141 "2004-10-06T01:55:04Z")
The mod just pushed Cheney on the Marriage protection amendment. Interesting :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/142 "2004-10-06T01:55:23Z")
The Supreme Court ordered the Constitution changed, eh? :wally ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/143 "2004-10-06T01:56:11Z")
Oops, Cheney contradicted himself… the President sets the policies… the states decide. Edwards missed a chance to holler Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/144 "2004-10-06T01:56:14Z")
> [@DtC](#): > > Cheney’s just fucking lying through his teeth on every question. :rolleyes: And Edwards is always answering the last question…or going completely off topic. Also, the lies seem pretty thick all around DtC…but I guess Edwards lies appeal to the Kerryites (just made that up btw :)). -XT ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/145 "2004-10-06T01:56:17Z")
So let me get this straight. Cheney thinks marriage should be a states’ rights issue unless those states actually want to _legalize_ same sex marriage? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/146 "2004-10-06T01:56:17Z")
Twins 2…dankees 0 ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/147 "2004-10-06T01:56:51Z")
So marriage is for a man and woman? Finally, a straight (heh) answer from Edwards. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/148 "2004-10-06T01:57:33Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > :rolleyes: And Edwards is always answering the last question…or going completely off topic. Also, the lies seem pretty thick all around DtC…but I guess Edwards lies appeal to the Kerryites (just made that up btw :)). > > -XT Edwards hasn’t told a lie yet. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/149 "2004-10-06T01:57:41Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > So let me get this straight. Cheney thinks marriage should be a states’ rights issue unless those states actually want to _legalize_ same sex marriage? 😕 That was the contradiction. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/150 "2004-10-06T01:57:49Z")
And Edwards is back on taxes…DEAR LORD IN HEAVEN THE QUESTION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TAXES TRY TO KEEP UP!!! He’s giving props to Cheney for the gay daughter and dodging the marriage bit with domestic partnerships. Still, fired about using constitution for politics. Mod hits Edwards/Kerry about having it both ways with gay marriage/civil unions. I think she has won the debate. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/151 "2004-10-06T01:58:00Z")
:rolleyes: I can’t believe gay marriage is even an ISSUE here! Could this country be any more of a global laughinstock? ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/152 "2004-10-06T01:58:50Z")
Can anybody see the timing lights? I can’t. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/153 "2004-10-06T01:58:52Z")
I’m getting whiplash from all the “let me go back to…” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/154 "2004-10-06T01:59:10Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > So let me get this straight. Cheney thinks marriage should be a states’ rights issue unless those states actually want to _legalize_ same sex marriage? 😕 Pretty much. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/155 "2004-10-06T01:59:12Z")
I actually think this one is much more up in the air than the last. I think it was a coup to have it seated. Cheney fidgets and smarms while standing, but looks contemplative while seated. I think Edwards is coming stronger towards the end. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/156 "2004-10-06T01:59:19Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Cheney’s just fucking lying through his teeth on every question. > > Oh, well, I guess it’s always worked for that Bushies before. News flash: **Diogenes** thinks Bush is an evil liar and that Edwards is overwhelmingly winning this debate. Gosh, I wonder what Rush Limbaugh thinks? ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/157 "2004-10-06T01:59:36Z")
> [@Patty O'Furniture](#): > > Can anybody see the timing lights? I can’t. I’m watching C-SPAN 2 and can see the lights and both candidates simultaneously. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/158 "2004-10-06T01:59:39Z")
And Cheney ends the round with a thank you to Edwards that sounded sincere. Impressive. ---
**Author:** ![TommyTutone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c4cdca/32.png) [@TommyTutone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TommyTutone)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/159 "2004-10-06T01:59:42Z")
Very interesting rebuttal on gay rights there by Cheney. Well handled all things considered. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649/160 "2004-10-06T01:59:42Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Edwards hasn’t told a lie yet. Speaking of lies…Whether you want to call it a ‘lie’ or ‘just making stuff up’, Edwards took creative license with the nature of the Northern Alliance not a few minutes into the debate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vp-debates-thread-or-beauty-and-the-beast/267649.md?page=9)