# Wachowski brothers - plagiarisers. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 9, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992 "2004-12-09T20:42:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/1 "2004-12-09T20:42:42Z")
[http://www.slccglobelink.com/news/2004/10/28/Entertainment/mother.Of.The.Matrix.Victorious-785067.shtml](http://www.slccglobelink.com/news/2004/10/28/Entertainment/mother.Of.The.Matrix.Victorious-785067.shtml) Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/2 "2004-12-09T20:43:55Z")
:smack: Sorry, just read this: > [@](#): > > CORRECTION REGARDING PREVIOUS STORY > > In reference to the recent article entitled “Mother of the Matrix Victorious,” some information has been deemed misleading. Ms. Sophia Stewart has not yet won her case against Joel Silver, Time Warner and the Wachowski Bros. The decision on October 4th enabled Ms. Stewart to proceed with her case, as all attempts to have it dismissed were unsuccessful. Ms. Stewart’s case will proceed through the Central District Court of California. > > Thanks, > The Globe Staff :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/3 "2004-12-09T20:48:01Z")
Plus I don’t think they’re the Wachowski “brothers” any more anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/4 "2004-12-09T22:01:23Z")
One would lament the poor quality of the media these days, but only if one thought that a school paper was a paragon of journalism. Sounds to me like a preliminary motion (summary judgment, most likely). The standard to beat one is that you can marshal anything more than a _scintilla_ of evidence to support your side of the case. That’s a rather low standard, although by no means a meaningless one. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Chairman\_Pow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Chairman\_Pow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chairman_Pow)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/5 "2004-12-09T22:06:43Z")
Wow. Every movie that’s made (IIRC) is sued by everyone who has a story even tangentially releated to the film. While this case appears to have more merit than the standard, “I thought of JINGLE ALL THE WAY,” I’m still surprised to see that it was resolved in favor of the prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/6 "2004-12-09T22:28:09Z")
IT WASN’T!!! –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/7 "2004-12-09T22:30:21Z")
Also, “prosecution” isn’t applicable in the civil context. The prosecution refers to the government when it brings someone up on criminal charges. –Cliffy, again ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/8 "2004-12-09T22:49:59Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Plus I don’t think they’re the Wachowski “brothers” any more anyway. Are they the Flying Karamazov Brothers now? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/9 "2004-12-09T22:53:27Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Are they the Flying Karamazov Brothers now? Thanks to some recent surgery, more the Wachowski _siblings_, now. Or so I hear. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/10 "2004-12-09T23:01:25Z")
Is the script for “The Third Eye” available anywhere for us to scrutinize? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/11 "2004-12-09T23:03:26Z")
The Wachowskis (and the other defendants in the case, including James Cameron) attempted to have the case dismissed on grounds of Statute of Limitations and laches. The court decided that they didn’t apply. And for some reason everyone who’s covering this story is presenting it as though she won the case, not that the defendants failed to have it dismissed. I wonder if this is sensationalism or _shadenfreud_. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/12 "2004-12-09T23:49:17Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > Is the script for “The Third Eye” available anywhere for us to scrutinize? That would be my question. Exactly what is the standred for plagerizing fiction, anyway? It’s not like there are a whole lot of new and original ideas out there as far as stories go(God knows I’ve noticed this as an aumetuer writer). So does that mean shakespeare can sue over every story about a boy and a girl killing themselves over lust? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/13 "2004-12-10T00:08:10Z")
Considering how silly the later two movies were, I’m not sure I’d _want_ to make a claim of creative input. The money, though, might be nice. ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/14 "2004-12-10T00:13:10Z")
> [@Lightnin'](#): > > Thanks to some recent surgery, more the Wachowski _siblings_, now. Or so I hear. Huh? Not following you. ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/15 "2004-12-10T00:14:11Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > And for some reason everyone who’s covering this story is presenting it as though she won the case, not that the defendants failed to have it dismissed. I wonder if this is sensationalism or _shadenfreud_. Actually the media is doing a meta film criticism. You can’t belive the image that they present to you about this case, just as you can’t belive the image presented to you of reallity in the Matrix movies. Keep in mind that most jounalists were liberal art majors, this is the kind of shit they pull when they get bored. Makes them feel deep. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/16 "2004-12-10T00:15:58Z")
The scuttlebutt is that one of the former Wachowski Brothers switched teams from a pitcher to designated catcher, with all new new equipment. ---
**Author:** ![Kel\_Varnsen\_Latex\_Division](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@Kel\_Varnsen\_Latex\_Division](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kel_Varnsen_Latex_Division)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/17 "2004-12-10T00:16:15Z")
> [@](#): > > The standard to beat one is that you can marshal anything more than a scintilla of evidence to support your side of the case This is not the correct standard. You have to bring more than a scintilla of evidence for _every_ issue for which you bear the burden of persuasion. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/18 "2004-12-10T00:25:49Z")
I too would dearly love to scrutinize a script (or even a story treatment) for _The Third Eye_, to see if they are substantially similar. As much as I love the idea of a “Sophia” being the “Mother of the Matrix” (explanation [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=3462824&postcount=362), and in far too many other posts to that thread) Ms. Stewart [comes off like a subliterate loon](http://www.matrix-explained.com/php/about-the-matrix-movies-1553.html) when stating her case: > [@](#): > > I sent a document showing that this work was done in the 80’s while I was attending USC ( same school as George Lucas & Steven Speliberg ). The W Brothers used pictures, because they are not creative writers . . . they are comic book writers!They adapted my original work and characters to the big screen. The neo character is one backward . . . I have sent documents as to his brith. I wrote an Epic past, present, and future - 2110 A.D. The old gyspy hag and the Oracle is one and the same. My copyrights are 81, 83, & 84 and I am the sole owner of this work and characters.The city called the Dome & Zion are the same city . . . one is above the ground and the other one is below. I have three levels of authorities ( three persons ) and the movie have the three agents. My Trifina & Trinity are the same character in both scripts. My rebels are same characters on the ship & only two girls. Zonia & Switch are one and the same. My ship is called" Space Star" & theirs is the Nebekadnezar ( misspelled ). As you know if something is different their is nothing to compare . . . you get the picture! Nebuchadnezzar is equivalent to “Space Star”, _how?_ Apart from being a proper noun, it transliterates as “Nebu, defender of the border.” What is she trying to say, that it’s a rip-off because it kinda-sorta _rhymes?_ “OMG! The number 3 is associated with the antagonists in a vague kind of way! Plagiarism!” “Dome and Zion are exactly the same, except that they’re different. Do you see? Do you _see?!_” I don’t see a whole lot of valid comparisons being made between her story and _The Matrix_. > [@](#): > > The Feds have already established me as the writer of the motion picture called " The Matrix " and that fact is never going to change. I am "Tiger Woods " in the science fiction field of writing. My name will go in history books, the world book of guniess, and Ripley’s Believe or Not? Because I will have the biggest payoff in the history of motion picture. The FBI have already told me That the brothers ( & all that is involved ) have to pay me for the three movies! Loolooloolooloolooloolooloo! ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/19 "2004-12-10T00:42:36Z")
> [@Askia](#): > > The scuttlebutt is that one of the former Wachowski Brothers switched teams from a pitcher to designated catcher, with all new new equipment. I’ve heard that rumor, but cannot find a cite. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992/20 "2004-12-10T00:46:05Z")
> **[Breaking News, World News, US and Local News - NY Daily News - New York Daily...](https://www.nydailynews.com/)** > > Find breaking US news, local New York news coverage, sports, entertainment news, celebrity gossip, autos, videos and photos at nydailynews.com. > [@](#): > > Better stop calling them the Wachowski brothers. We hear “Matrix” co-creator Larry Wachowski is ready for the sex-change operation that will finalize his conversion to a woman named Linda. > > Last May, he wore women’s earrings at “The Matrix Reloaded” premiere. At the time, the estranged husband of an alleged Los Angeles dominatrix told newspapers that Wachowski was a client of his wife. The source said he had seen Larry “in her bondage room…lying there in a dress, no panties and a blond wig.” > > Several “longtime friends” say Larry - who is in the middle of a divorce with his wife, Thea Bloom - is now ready for the operation, reports the Chicago Sun Times. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wachowski-brothers-plagiarisers/278992.md?page=2)