# Waco Jacko interview **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 4, 2003, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675 "2003-02-04T10:54:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![handy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@handy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handy)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/121 "2003-02-08T00:05:48Z")
"Does anyone know why Michael makes his kids wear masks? " Did you notice there was a brief period when they weren’t wearing them? Those kids were white as snow. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/122 "2003-02-08T03:27:00Z")
If it’s true that he dyes Prince’s hair, that’s weird. Are you sure about that? Yeah, he started yelping when Bashir was trying to help him with “Blanket’s” veil, and then the baby started crying in reaction. Bouncing that kid like that will give him an upset stomach. Sheesh. Does Bashir have kids? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/123 "2003-02-08T04:38:07Z")
> [@](#): > > _walloon_ > “Male” here refers to one’s physical gender. “Asexual” here refers to one’s libido. I know what Asexual means, I wasn’t saying it was a contradiction in terms, I was expressing skepticism about the likelihood of any young male going through life devoid of sexual feelings. Unless they had their balls cut off at birth, I just don’t buy it. Are we to believe that Michael Jackson simply has no testosterone? If he had no male hormone he would exhibit feminine characteristics, his voice would sound like a girl’s, he would have trouble growing facial hair…he …um…never mind… ---
**Author:** ![ratty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ccd318/32.png) [@ratty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratty)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/124 "2003-02-08T06:22:43Z")
**Diogenes** , you make excellent points throughout this thread, but I have to disagree on the whole ‘asexual’ issue. It is certainly possible for an intact male of any age to simply not have sexual feelings of any kind. There might be numerous reasons for this- psychological problems, brain damage, endocrine disorders, drug use, etc. I’m a woman, so maybe my opinion should somehow count for less, but being male does not automatically equal being an insatiable horndog. At any rate, after seeing the interview it’s painfully obvious that Jackson is mentally unstable and needs help. In this situation, his wealth is working against him. He’s used it to build a bubble around himself, and so nobody who would dare can get close enough to suggest to (or force) him to get help. And bizarre behavior from the fabulously rich has always been tolerated in our society. The parallel’s been made before, but Howard Hughes is a stunning example of right where Jackson is inevitably headed: dead in a hotel room with tissue boxes on his hands and a closet full of jars of his own urine. I still can’t decide if he’s a pedophile or not. It might be that he really is so naive that he can’t comprehend why sleeping in the same bed with other peoples’ children is unacceptable behavior. By the same token, he may be so far gone that he can’t comprehend that molesting a child could possibly be wrong as long as, in his mind, he “loves” that child. I tend to always assume the worst, so I’m leaning towards him being a pedophile. I’m scared to death for those kids. They’re being raised in a bubble by an unstable man who is mentally and emotionally unable to deal with being a parent. If most people here are right, and he’s not a pedophile, these kids are still going to be massively fucked-up in later life. If he is a pedophile, it’s even worse: he may be buying/breeding his own kiddie harem, one with no outside influences and therefore minimal risk of exposure. ---
**Author:** ![handy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@handy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handy)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/125 "2003-02-08T17:31:37Z")
“Those preliminary numbers are why American television networks had a bidding war for the rights to show the Jackson documentary, originally broadcast on Granada Television in Britain. ABC reportedly paid nearly $5 million to air the interview.” [http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=114397](http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=114397) Looks like he wasn’t paid to do it, but ABC paid to use it? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/126 "2003-02-08T17:50:55Z")
The current exchanges on [alt.music.michael-jackson are hilarious.](http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=j461a.43314%24jM5.109532%40newsfeeds.bigpond.com&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dalt.music.michael-jackson) [sub] > [@](#): > > From: Piewacket ([shantytramp@yahoo.com](mailto:shantytramp@yahoo.com)) > Subject: Re: Michael Jackson’s 12-year-old gay boy, Gavin > > View this article only > Newsgroups: alt.gossip.celebrities, alt.music.michael-jackson > Date: 2003-02-07 07:51:14 PST > > if Gavin wasn’t such a cute kid I might believe Michael, but I agree, > there is something going on between the 2 of them. > > In article > \<[datatrans\_8976745-FE5310.07532607022003@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com](mailto:datatrans_8976745-FE5310.07532607022003@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com)\> > , > John Gargo \<[datatrans\_8976745@89765512.com](mailto:datatrans_8976745@89765512.com)\> wrote: > > \> I can tell you right now that Michael did not sleep on the floor, as he > \> said. He and Gavin have clearly fooled around together. The way they > \> were holding hands and the twinkle in Gavin’s eye gave that away right > \> there. > Post a follow-up to this message > > Message 2 in thread > From: Sim Peter ([speter@aol.com](mailto:speter@aol.com)) > Subject: Re: Michael Jackson’s 12-year-old gay boy, Gavin > > View this article only > Newsgroups: alt.gossip.celebrities, alt.music.michael-jackson > Date: 2003-02-07 09:59:40 PST > > Sword fights > > “Piewacket” \<[shantytramp@yahoo.com](mailto:shantytramp@yahoo.com)\> wrote in message > [news:shantytramp-4E1905.07572707022003@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com](mailto:news:shantytramp-4E1905.07572707022003@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com)… > \> if Gavin wasn’t such a cute kid I might believe Michael, but I agree, > \> there is something going on between the 2 of them. > \> > \> In article > \> \<[datatrans\_8976745-FE5310.07532607022003@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com](mailto:datatrans_8976745-FE5310.07532607022003@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com)\> > \> , > \> John Gargo \<[datatrans\_8976745@89765512.com](mailto:datatrans_8976745@89765512.com)\> wrote: > \> > \> \> I can tell you right now that Michael did not sleep on the floor, as he > \> \> said. He and Gavin have clearly fooled around together. The way they > \> \> were holding hands and the twinkle in Gavin’s eye gave that away right > \> \> there. > Post a follow-up to this message > > Message 3 in thread > From: Lady Taker ([volfie@ccrtc.com](mailto:volfie@ccrtc.com)) > Subject: Re: Michael Jackson’s 12-year-old gay boy, Gavin > > View this article only > Newsgroups: alt.gossip.celebrities, alt.music.michael-jackson > Date: 2003-02-07 10:05:16 PST > > “Sim Peter” \<[speter@aol.com](mailto:speter@aol.com)\> wrote in message > [news:8tS0a.11$c12.977070@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com](mailto:news:8tS0a.11%24c12.977070@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com)… > \> Sword fights > > Oh SHIT! LOL! Put a warning before comments like that, will you? I can’t > ruin another keyboard. > > – > Giselle > Post a follow-up to this message > > Message 4 in thread > From: Podkayne Fries ([fred@fairfieldi.com](mailto:fred@fairfieldi.com)) > Subject: Re: Michael Jackson’s 12-year-old gay boy, Gavin > > View this article only > Newsgroups: alt.gossip.celebrities, alt.music.michael-jackson > Date: 2003-02-07 18:06:17 PST > > On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:50:12 GMT, Piewacket \<[shantytramp@yahoo.com](mailto:shantytramp@yahoo.com)\> > wrote: > > \>if Gavin wasn’t such a cute kid I might believe Michael, but I agree, > \>there is something going on between the 2 of them. > > Wacko might be asexual, but the average 12-year-old today is keenly > interested in sex. All those New!Improved!Hormones shut off all > higher brain function for several years. I find it almost impossible > to believe that gaggles of boys are begging to share Wacko’s bed and > he’s simply giving in to their … uh … desires. > > The average 12-year-old spends most of his (or her) time actively > avoiding parents and authority figures. Putting Wacko’s behavior to > the side for the moment, it doesn’t ring true that these kids want to > spend all their time with someone who’s four times their age. > > – > Regards, Podkayne Fries > > Born to count beans. > Post a follow-up to this message > > Message 5 in thread > From: papi2guapo1979 ([papi2guapo1979@webtv.net](mailto:papi2guapo1979@webtv.net)) > Subject: Re: Michael Jackson’s 12-year-old gay boy, Gavin > > View this article only > Newsgroups: alt.music.michael-jackson > Date: 2003-02-07 18:45:33 PST > > That boy is not gay! > Post a follow-up to this message > > Message 6 in thread > From: nimue ([nimue@bigpond.com](mailto:nimue@bigpond.com)) > Subject: Re: Michael Jackson’s 12-year-old gay boy, Gavin > > View this article only > Newsgroups: alt.music.michael-jackson > Date: 2003-02-08 03:54:41 PST > > “papi2guapo1979” \<[papi2guapo1979@webtv.net](mailto:papi2guapo1979@webtv.net)\> wrote in message > [news:18105-3E446C4B-3@storefull-2238.public.lawson.webtv.net](mailto:news:18105-3E446C4B-3@storefull-2238.public.lawson.webtv.net)… > \> That boy is not gay! > > No he didn’t seem very cheerful. 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**Author:** ![everton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@everton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/everton)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/127 "2003-02-08T18:02:03Z")
I haven’t come across that particular use of the word “hilarious” before. Takes all sorts I s’pose. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/128 "2003-02-08T18:32:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ratty \* > **I still can’t decide if he’s a pedophile or not.** More from the 13-year-old boy’s affidavit: > [@](#): > > Michael Jackson had me suck one nipple while Michael Jackson masturbated. On one occasion when Michael Jackson and I were in bed together Michael Jackson grabbed my buttock and kissed me while he put his tongue in my ear. I told him I didn’t like that. Michael Jackson started to cry. > > Michael Jackson told me that I should not tell anyone what had happened. He said that this was a secret. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/129 "2003-02-08T23:15:24Z")
**Walloon** , I think most of us have read it by now. Look, we don’t KNOW what’s going on, but either way it’s creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/130 "2003-02-08T23:15:37Z")
[shudder]I wonder what happened between MJ and Macaulay Culkin.[/shudder] And boy o boy, am I glad he never got his talons into Haley Osment (who is now on the safe side of puberty, hence no longer appealing to MJ). Anyway, if he had even offered, Eugene the Machine would have kicked his @ss five ways till Friday. ---
**Author:** ![handy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@handy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handy)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/131 "2003-02-10T00:17:04Z")
Seems odd that the press hasn’t got ahold of that affidavit yet. Whether it’s real or not, I’m still waiting to find out. Maybe Ill call the lawyer mentioned on it on the side. ---
**Author:** ![handy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@handy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handy)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/132 "2003-02-10T00:33:53Z")
Also, here is a history of his face: A Photographic History of Michael Jackson’s Face With blithering, yet witty commentary [http://anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html](http://anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html) ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/133 "2003-02-10T01:57:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by handy \* > Also, here is a history of his face Excellent line, handy ! Fwiw, I just wish this thread was called: TV Interview: Michael Jackson loses more face … _or summin’_ ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/134 "2003-02-10T02:41:35Z")
I know that this won’t hold much water with you guys, but I know someone [a celebrity] who knows MJ fairly well. Says he is a very sweet, very charming man. But that for a fact, his relationship with at least some kids is sexual. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/135 "2003-02-10T03:41:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*The reason I believe he isn’t a child molestor is just that he seems more like a nutbar who thinks he’s a little kid. \*\* I don’t think he would molest a child in the sense of forcing himself on someone, and I don’t think he goes after the really young kids. I used to be skeptical of the whole sexual side of things, and thought that he was probably just really naive and didn’t realize what the things he was doing looked bad. But since I’ve talked to [not gonna say the name] I am convinced that he has “consentual” sexual relationships with pre-teen boys. Apparently he doesn’t exactly hide it when he’s in the company of close friends. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/136 "2003-02-10T03:50:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monstro \* > \*\*13. All the pictures on the walls showing him surrounded by angels. White, blond-haired angels. Not a black one in sight. > > 1. The maid’s uniform hanging in his hotel room. Had to give the camera man props for that. > > Michael Jackson is crazy. I feel sorry for him, as well as repulsed. They need to take those children away from him NOW. \*\* A) that painting with him in the toga and the angels cracked me right up. Beyond egotistical, it was just CHEESY! B) to hell with the uniform, what was up with all those mannequin thing!?!? C) Don’t worry, they’re being raised by his staff of nannies and such. I’m sure he does very little of the actual “rearing” of them himself. I’d be amazed if he’s ever changed a diaper. Ok my weirdness: When his fans would say “I love you” and he’d say “I love you more!” juvenile AND insincere! Woohoo! ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/137 "2003-02-10T04:10:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lenny & Carl \* > \*\*And finally, vitaligo, to my knowledge, is a disease which appears in spots. And the loss of pigment is all at once. It doesn’t gradually lighten you up over the years… and equally over your entire body. It’s a “blotchy” kind of spotty pigment loss. \*\* I have no opinion on whether or not he has it or not, but come on… a big show-biz person with a splotchy skin condition would USE MAKEUP TO EVEN IT OUT. Either in one direction or the other. Lack of blotches is not an indicator here, folks. Someone that vain would never be seen or photographed without full makeup on. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/138 "2003-02-10T04:51:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by OpalCat \* > \*\*I know that this won’t hold much water with you guys, but I know someone [a celebrity] who knows MJ fairly well. Says he is a very sweet, very charming man. But that for a fact, his relationship with at least some kids is sexual. \*\* If what you say is true, this guy should be put in jail. Have you reported what your friend has told you to the authorities? Has he/she reported what you have written to the authorities? If you or your friend hasn’t, you should. You are endangering the lives of these children and you should do something about it. NOW. This isn’t a joke or idle gossip. If you have material evidence to share with the authorities, I think it is your moral obligation to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/139 "2003-02-10T05:01:44Z")
**Opal** , that’s really creepy. Yeah, he seems like a nice guy, but he’s not someone I’d want to be around. I think I’m now starting to lean towards the possible pedophile or whatever idea. It’s sad and shocking to look at the history of his face. Did anyone see the report after the doc, when they showed his face and how it changed? They did an age progression on what he would look like if he hadn’t had surgery-it was so very very different. Plus, some of the lies coming out of his mouth were so obvious-but I think he really BELIEVES them. He said his dad has blue eyes-but every picture of Joe Jackson shows brown or at least hazel. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675/140 "2003-02-10T23:35:52Z")
I have no evidence, just this person’s word, who would have no reason to lie about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/waco-jacko-interview/152675.md?page=8)