# Wait a Sec.... Questions RE Star Trek: TOS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 27, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182 "2009-06-27T16:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/241 "2009-07-08T21:53:23Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > It is my opinion (FWIW) that the Vulcans and Earthlings decided early on to just go along to get along. I highly doubt the Vulcans could have been taunted or baited into some kind of violent confrontation and I also doubt that humans, arriving at a strange planet early in the beginning starfleet’s era, would be so willing to conquer and rule–it would be almost impossible to do so. Sure, I’d like to think that we had evolved into just plain curious folk who want everyone to be friends, but I’m too old for that kind of nonsense. But I do think it’s inherently illogical and impractical to attempt to vanquish etc, so I doubt it happened that way. There are a few more problems. In “First Contact” we see Vulcans, who already have star travel, arriving on earth after detecting Cochrane’s first warp drive. We know that the Vulcans had star travel capability a long time ago, since the Romulans certainly had it when they left Vulcan, and that was long enough ago for Spock to not be aware of it - unless it was a deep, dark, secret. Earth conquering Vulcan was about as likely as the Duchy of Grand Fenwick conquering the US - without the new bomb, that is. Perhaps McCoy meant conquered in the sense that the US conquered France with Hollywood movies? Or maybe that Earth had the largest role in StarFleet. Not that Vulcans cared all that much about StarFleet, given the reaction they had when Spock decided to attend the Academy. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/242 "2009-07-08T22:30:51Z")
> [@kingpengvin](#): > > This may take a little longer (I believe we have James R Kirk Tombstone with a date of 21 something… oddly the tombstone pictures on Google show star dates) I’ll have to look again through my dvds to find examples. From the second pilot, “Where No Man Has Gone Before…” It’s on the tombstone that Gary Mitchell makes up for Kirk as he prepares to kill him. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/243 "2009-07-08T23:32:30Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > There are a few more problems. In “First Contact” we see Vulcans, who already have star travel, arriving on earth after detecting Cochrane’s first warp drive. We know that the Vulcans had star travel capability a long time ago, since the Romulans certainly had it when they left Vulcan, and that was long enough ago for Spock to not be aware of it - unless it was a deep, dark, secret. > > Perhaps McCoy meant conquered in the sense that the US conquered France with Hollywood movies? Or maybe that Earth had the largest role in StarFleet. Not that Vulcans cared all that much about StarFleet, given the reaction they had when Spock decided to attend the Academy. I think he must have–afterall, the Vulcans strike me as insular people. Spock joining Starfleet would just be more evidence of the “contamination” by Starfleet (and Earth) of Vulcan. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/244 "2009-07-09T00:13:22Z")
☹ (needs to be more pouty) I cannot watch ST tonight–RL [del]interferes[/del] beckons. Damn. It’ll have to wait until tomorrow night. \ ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/245 "2009-07-09T19:16:09Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > … **monkeymensch** –glad to be of help! Enjoy! and then come back here and share your thoughts. Yee-hah! I’m having a great time with this. I was 12 when the original series aired and was simply gaga for it. High school and then university then intervened but looking at the list of episodes I’d guess I’ve seen half or more of them in syndication. I come home from work around ten o’clock and get in one or one and a half episodes. I have watched up through episode 5, so far, and keep waiting for the cast to chew the scenery. There have been a few nibbles but I think it’s thirty years of watching countless “William Shatner as Captain Kirk” impressions that may have skewed my expectations. Good stuff. And I love Spock smirking: Apparently high intelligence and cool logic include sarcasm and irony. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/246 "2009-07-09T19:35:53Z")
> [@MonkeyMensch](#): > > And I love Spock smirking: Apparently high intelligence and cool logic include sarcasm and irony. 🙂 And not to forget his creepy lechery. As in that look he gives Rand when referring her near rape in the end of “The Enemy Within” ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/247 "2009-07-09T19:45:26Z")
did someone ask for modern fx in their TOS? Behold: [http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/TOS/article/28095.html](http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/TOS/article/28095.html) A bit pricey, though: [http://store.startrek.com/product/show/29206](http://store.startrek.com/product/show/29206) ($159 for the first season in HD-DVD, $70 for (non-HD?) seasons 2 and 3.) Anybody have these? Worth the price to you? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/248 "2009-07-10T00:27:36Z")
I’m kind of thinking the same thing, but cannot afford them right now. Truly, they would be worth it to me. I am too tired to watch tonight. I plan on going to bed EARLY for work tomorrow. I will watch tomorrow night. I never saw Spock smirk after Rand’s incident. That seems grossly out of character for him. I just watched Charlie, so will not be do so again any time soon, but I’ll try to remember to watch for it. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/249 "2009-07-10T00:37:49Z")
Ya know what? Screw it–I’m watching. Not sure which episode, but I’ll watch one. The one with Mudd and the planet I think was next on my “agenda”. Off to watch! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/250 "2009-07-10T00:38:43Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I never saw Spock smirk after Rand’s incident. Leonard Nimoy was selected to play an unemotional alien because he has two facial expressions. One of them is a smirk and one of them isn’t. It is rumored that the store bought DVDs are full uncut episodes. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/251 "2009-07-10T01:07:35Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Ya know what? Screw it–I’m watching. That is wise. ^:dubious:^ ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/252 "2009-07-10T01:33:59Z")
“I am not programmed to respond in that area.” I like that Uhura got more airtime, but I could do with MUCH less Chekov. And how come the crew, once beamed down to the surface, never tried to find the captain? And who was up there to beam them up, once all the androids were non-functional? Good show. Which one to watch tomorrow? So many shows… ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/253 "2009-07-10T01:52:06Z")
I’m watching the Blu rays of season 1 and I’m enjoying the uncut pudd’n out of them. The enhanced effects aren’t garish, there’s some decent plot and background that I don’t remember from the chainsawed-for syndication versions I’ve seen over the years, and Chekov is glorious in his absence. [Pretty cheap, relatively speaking](http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Original-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B001TH16DS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1247190605&sr=8-2). Now if you excuse me, back to 'Tomorrow is Yesterday"- Captain Christopher is karate chopping his way into the transporter room ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/254 "2009-07-10T02:40:18Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > And how come the crew, Don’t say “How come”, say, “How does it come to pass that?” -The Late Fr. DeBoiser. ---
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/255 "2009-07-10T08:07:28Z")
I’m participating in a SCI FI challenge on another site and am watching TOS straight through. I love the Blu-rays. Worth every penny. Looks like they were shot yesterday. Even better than the HDDVD, they have the original special effects and the new CGI effects switchable with the angle button. ---
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/256 "2009-07-10T08:13:37Z")
darn 5 minute window. I’m having to make due with copies of season 2 and 3 until the Blus come out in the fall for those seasons. Speaking of Chekov, they just through him in there after mostly anonymous navigators. I can buy the fanwank that he was on ship but unseen during Space Seed. The old plot hole that Khan recognizes him in the movie even though he wasn’t in the show at that point. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/257 "2009-07-10T13:04:57Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Don’t say “How come”, say, “How does it come to pass that?” > > -The Late Fr. DeBoiser. Dammit, **carnivorousplant!** I’m a nurse, not a priest! I don’t have BluRay and have no plans to get it anytime soon. I will have to make due with the HDDVD, when I can afford that… Those captains always did do a mean karate chop. Chekov is annoying–they needed a member there (instead of anonymous navigator of the week), but he was not an answer to Davy Jones, for sure. He’s like that friend’s little brother who always tries to flirt with you when you go to pick up your friend in HS. One withering remark re his manhood or one sharp punch on the arm and he’d fold and go sulk for days. Blech. And what’s with Scotty in I, Mudd? Norman brushes him aside and he acts like he was drugged. Of course, Scotty was never in ANY kind of physical shape whatsoever–I’m surprised he made through basic Starfleet training. But still. ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/258 "2009-07-10T16:12:35Z")
> [@caligulathegod](#): > > Even better than the HDDVD, they have the original special effects and the new CGI effects switchable with the angle button. Better Quality wise or content wise? See, I have my HDDVD player and have enjoyed watching the 1st season… When HDDVD died I told myself I would never EVER go Blu ray (I spent enough on one failed format I don’t want to switch while I still have standard) Don’t make me have to go back on my word!!! ---
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/259 "2009-07-10T18:08:13Z")
> [@kingpengvin](#): > > Better Quality wise or content wise? See, I have my HDDVD player and have enjoyed watching the 1st season… When HDDVD died I told myself I would never EVER go Blu ray (I spent enough on one failed format I don’t want to switch while I still have standard) > > Don’t make me have to go back on my word!!! The extras are pretty much identical. According to DVDTalk, features from the 2007 HD DVD release which didn’t make it onto this Blu-ray release include the Five Collector Data Cards which directed viewers to which episodes and features are on which discs, the Star Trek Online Game Preview, the Trekker Connections menu-navigation game, the Starfleet Access trivia for the episode “The Galileo Seven”, and most disappointingly, the 90-minute Star Trek: Beyond the Final Frontier History Channel documentary hosted by Leonard Nimoy. The video transfers are the exact same transfers. However, for the purists, there is the option of watching the original special effects rather than the new CGI effects. The soundtrack includes 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio and the original mono audio. HDDVD only had 5.1 Dolby TrueHD. Not to be dismissed lightly is the fact that soon seasons 2 and 3 will be available while they will never be available on HDDVD. I have to admit I’m spoiled on High Def. If I have a choice, I can’t go back to standard. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/260 "2009-07-11T01:32:22Z")
Wait a minute… I guess I’ll be stuck with regular ole DVD, then. Sometimes I hate distributors. I am home too late to watch tonight–I’m about to fall asleep as I type. My other obsession (I am large; I contain multitudes) is Frasier, which I watch on TV, just like in the old days. That’s on soon and then bed. A random thought: I must say I am amazed that this thread is as long as it is and no one has brought up the specter of the Big 3 being gay. I confess myself grateful (although I just ruined, it didn’t I with my allusion…) FTR, I don’t think any of them were gay. Ok, maybe Scotty. Or Chekov. Who knows? Maybe Uhura! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182.md?page=14)