# Wait a Sec.... Questions RE Star Trek: TOS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 27, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182 "2009-06-27T16:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/21 "2009-06-28T14:04:11Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > The actress, Kathie Browne, was married to Darren McGavin! You can see the couple work together in the final episode of “Kolchak”; she plays the police officer in charge of the case that Kolchak is trying to dig up a story on. This same episode of “Kolchak” is also a very cheesy rip-off of the TOS episode, “The Demon in the Dark” (the one with the Horta). ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/22 "2009-06-28T15:22:43Z")
> [@ambushed](#): > > IMhomosexualmaleO, the girl in the H.G. Wells “Time Machine” ripoff episode who goes after Spock is the only female I’ve ever seen in TV or movies who ever got me _really_ goin… And she still does! I’m not sure which one that is. The only Time Machine episode that I can think of offhand is The City on the Edge of Forever where Kirk has the love interest (Joan Collins–which still makes me throw up. Ugh, blech, YUCK). Other than that, the episode is great. I’ll look for the Spock one–but not today. It’s finally nice outside for the first time in weeks and I plan on enjoying it! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/23 "2009-06-28T15:27:12Z")
[“All Our Yesterdays”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Our_Yesterdays_(Star_Trek)) with Mariette Hartley as Spock’s hottie. Right fetching she was in her skins (and skin!) ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/24 "2009-06-28T17:26:28Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > [“All Our Yesterdays”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Our_Yesterdays_(Star_Trek)) with Mariette Hartley as Spock’s hottie. Right fetching she was in her skins (and skin!) :smack: Of course. And to think she sells blinds now on TV… how are the mighty fallen. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/25 "2009-06-28T17:29:03Z")
I think hawking window treatments probably pays a lot more than her guest shot on Star Trek. We will, for the moment, not comment on the main shill for Priceline. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/26 "2009-06-28T17:45:15Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I think hawking window treatments probably pays a lot more than her guest shot on Star Trek. We will, for the moment, not comment on the main shill for Priceline. 😃 I saw one of those commercials yesterday and I had to laugh. IMO, Shatner’s never been given enough credit for his comic acting. He knows he’s playing it over the top and looks like he’s enjoying every minute of it. Hartley also starred in Rockford Files, didn’t she? That probably pays her bills as well. Which begs the question: for a show in syndication, do the guest stars get a cut of any --what would they be called, royalties? Do the characters? (they must, no?) ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/27 "2009-06-28T17:51:45Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > 1. Did not know it had a name. From Larry Niven’s novels _Ringworld_ and _The Ringworld Engineers_. No direct connection to Trek, although Niven’s short story “The Soft Weapon” was made into an episode of the cartoon version of Trek. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/28 "2009-06-28T17:55:38Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > hawking window treatments Hawking Window Treatments. The ONLY window treatment guaranteed to not allow light to escape! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/29 "2009-06-28T17:56:42Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Hartley also starred in Rockford Files, didn’t she? That probably pays her bills as well. She made commercials with Rockford star James Garner. So many that her offspring had T shirts proclaiming, “I am not James Garner’s Child”. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/30 "2009-06-28T17:59:31Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Which begs the question: for a show in syndication, do the guest stars get a cut of any --what would they be called, royalties? Do the characters? (they must, no?) Residuals. I don’t know enough about it to answer if the guest stars would be compensated, as the language from the [SAG FAQ](http://www.sag.org/content/residuals-faq) states specifically that “background actors” do not get them, but “All performers hired under or upgraded to a principal performer agreement whose performance remains in the final product. This includes performers, professional singers, stunt performers, stunt coordinators, pilots, dancers employed under Schedule J and puppeteers.” So I guess it depends on the specific terminology in the contract (doesn’t everything?). ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/31 "2009-06-28T18:20:17Z")
Re: Mariette Hartley > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > She made commercials with Rockford star James Garner. So many that her offspring had T shirts proclaiming, “I am not James Garner’s Child”. The commercials were for Polaroid cameras, if I remember correctly, and she was in one episode of _The Rockford Files_. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/32 "2009-06-28T19:32:53Z")
You remember correctly. Those commercials were quite funny. As far as residuals go, I doubt very much whether Hartley got enough money out of them to buy dinner. The old contract only applied to the first repeat, and had zip to say about syndication. So even Shatner doesn’t get anything for ST:TOS. Funny story: When they used footage from “The Trouble With Tribbles” on the ST: DS9 episode “Trials and Tribble-ations,” they had to re-negotiate with every actor from the original series who was in the footage. Walter Koenig said that he got paid a lot more for the re-use than he was ever paid for the original episode. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/33 "2009-06-28T22:37:31Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > 1. In the end, it is clear that Kirk was using her to regain his ship, but he still “had relations” with her–isn’t he at risk for possible disease AND more important (because we all know Bones would just get out that hypo of his and cure Kirk), what of any possible “issue”? Or does he know he fires blanks (which cannot be true because of David much later)? David actually would’ve been conceived earlier, not later, so you can’t rule out infertility for this episode based on David’s existence. Non-canon, Kirk’s encounter with Carol Marcus was shown in a comic about Kirk’s academy days. Canon, David’s age in TWOK makes him too old to have been born later than this episode in the timeline. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/34 "2009-06-28T22:47:55Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > David actually would’ve been conceived earlier, not later, so you can’t rule out infertility for this episode based on David’s existence. Non-canon, Kirk’s encounter with Carol Marcus was shown in a comic about Kirk’s academy days. Canon, David’s age in TWOK makes him too old to have been born later than this episode in the timeline. Aha! Another query I would like explored: who in hell is Carol Markus and when did she and Kirk have a Thing and why did she never tell him about David? I can see wanting to raise David by herself and keeping him with her, but Jeebus, a guy deserves to know he’s a father, no? All I gleaned from her is that feminine wiles and manipulations haven’t come too far in the 23rd century. And then we never see her again! David is in the next movie, but Carol is not even mentioned. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/35 "2009-06-28T22:56:16Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > And then we never see her again! David is in the next movie, but Carol is not even mentioned. :rolleyes: [Bibi Besch](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000935/) and [Merritt Butrick](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0125190/) are both deceased. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/36 "2009-06-28T23:16:17Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > [Bibi Besch](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000935/) and [Merritt Butrick](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0125190/) are both deceased. Ok, but the script could have just mentioned her, no? She’s so devoted to David and her work etc–so much so that when David gets to go back to that planet… she warrants not a call or a mention! Sloppy writing, if you ask me. I didn’t realize Butrick had died so young. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/37 "2009-06-28T23:26:45Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Aha! Another query I would like explored: who in hell is Carol Markus and when did she and Kirk have a Thing and why did she never tell him about David? I can see wanting to raise David by herself and keeping him with her, but Jeebus, a guy deserves to know he’s a father, no? > > All I gleaned from her is that feminine wiles and manipulations haven’t come too far in the 23rd century. > > And then we never see her again! David is in the next movie, but Carol is not even mentioned. :rolleyes: In the episode “Where No Man Has Gone Before,” Gary Mitchell reminds Capt. Kirk about a blond lab tech who he (Gary) sent in Kirk’s direction. Many have speculated that this is Dr. Carol Marcus. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/38 "2009-06-29T00:09:45Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The unanswered question about “The Enemy Within” is and always will be "Why didn’t they beam down bricks, or fuel, or shelter, or any of a hundred inanimate objects that would actually be \*\*more useful \*\*duplicated? > > The truth about the shuttlecraft, of course, was that it wasn’t in the budget. I thought the truth about the shuttlecraft is that the writers/producers had not yet conceived of it by this episode (it’s the fifth ep). The transporter in general, of course, was a budget-cutting trick, and a darned cool one. I’m glad they had to think of a way around constant landings. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/39 "2009-06-29T00:22:35Z")
Oh, they’d thought of it all right. Take a look at the back of the model: big hanger doors. They just hadn’t given any thought to building one because the budget was so tight. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/40 "2009-06-29T00:26:49Z")
All this girl-talk. The only thing I have to say is when I rewatched them on CBS I was \*amazed \*at how gorgeous Kirk was back then. Slim, flat belly, and those eyes! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182.md?page=3)