# Wait a Sec.... Questions RE Star Trek: TOS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 27, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182 "2009-06-27T16:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/81 "2009-06-30T22:16:49Z")
But then it wasn’t just his ship, but the Fate of the World (and his own future) at stake. Me, I would have driven a stake through Joan Collins’ heart, but that’s just me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/82 "2009-06-30T22:17:53Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Me, either. But I don’t find her remotely attractive–she looks like an android to me. If we’re speaking of “Wink of an Eye” still, I fear I must call her a _butterface_ girl. Except that term doesn’t really work for me, as to me the face is very important in being attracted. > [@](#): > > Ok…I guess I just haven’t come across any men who actively dislike really attractive women… 😉 Have you missed me complaining about my idiot co-worker? She’s a total babe. I can’t stand her. Bringing it back to Kirk, I think he could easily afford to be choosy about sleeping with women he didn’t like, as he had plenty of opportunities. > [@](#): > > Yes! This is driven home by one of the early episodes when he is “altered” in some way (can’t remember the episode) but he tells McCoy (or was it Spock?) that he’s sure Bones (or Spock) has noticed how attractive X is (some chick on the ship) and that as a crew member, he can approach her, but as Captain, Kirk cannot… I know he felt the responsibility of his command quite intensely–one of the reasons I admire him as a character. I hate to admit it, but I can name the episode & thegirl: “The Naked Time” and Janice Rand. The whole crew was, basically, drunk on some pseudo-science water that released everyone’s inhibitions. We get to see that Sulu wants to be a pirate and thinks Uhura is cute (he has eyes, in other words :D), and that both the CO & XO are filled with self-loathing. Of course, the best bit of the episode is Kirk trying to fight Spock and getting utterly humiliated. Spock doesn’t notice a full on slap, and Kirk’s best roundhouse is a mild annoyance–while Spock can backhand Jimmy across the room without trying. > [@](#): > > I know this happens, but I cannot imagine not being in contact with the father of our kids, barring an abusive situation or an addiction of some sort. Well, sure. Because you live in a society with instananeous communication. But TOS was based on Hornblower & Wagon Train, only with magic ray guns,and part of that is the notion that it’s possible to get out of touch with home for long periods. I expect that Kirk arranged to have a good bit of his pay deducted and sent straight to Carol, and that SHE was the one who said, “Don’t come visit unless you are willing to either take shore duty or to pilot the Titan-Luna run.” ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/83 "2009-06-30T22:49:28Z")
No, actually I was referring to Anne Coulter. I thought Deela was quite attractive–at least her outfit was. Some of the outfits for the female aliens must have come straight out of the costume designer’s acid trips. I wasn’t referring to instantaneous communication re staying in contact with a kid’s dad–I meant the cruel games people can play with their ex-SOs or spouses. Yes–The Naked Time. A good episode, indeed. I may have to watch it again tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/84 "2009-06-30T22:51:23Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > No, actually I was referring to Anne Coulter. I thought Deela was quite attractive–at least her outfit was. Oh, Coulter. She’s kind of pretty if you make allowances for the fact that she’s composed entirely of non-baryonic matter. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/85 "2009-06-30T23:10:36Z")
The lady in question. [http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/winkdeela.jpg&imgrefurl=http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/winkdeela.htm&usg=\_\_VWwaT0hpvnWoDKO9\_pOHyw8GaGA=&h=365&w=500&sz=40&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=AM4DU-hyQtGoPM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddeela%2Btrek%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1%26ie%3DUTF-8](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/winkdeela.jpg&imgrefurl=http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/winkdeela.htm&usg=__VWwaT0hpvnWoDKO9_pOHyw8GaGA=&h=365&w=500&sz=40&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=AM4DU-hyQtGoPM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddeela%2Btrek%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1%26ie%3DUTF-8) ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/86 "2009-06-30T23:52:20Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Yes–The Naked Time. A good episode, indeed. I may have to watch it again tonight. You must be joking. :dubious: There are many good episodes of _Star Trek_. There are several mediocre episodes of _Star Trek_. Then, there are ridiculously poor episodes. “Naked Time” qualifies for the last category. Poor acting, insipid plot, almost a deus ex machina result. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/87 "2009-06-30T23:59:05Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > You must be joking. :dubious: > > There are many good episodes of _Star Trek_. There are several mediocre episodes of _Star Trek_. Then, there are ridiculously poor episodes. “Naked Time” qualifies for the last category. Poor acting, insipid plot, almost a deus ex machina result. Have I said _Fool of a Took_ yet today? Oh, I don’t care. **Fool of a Took!** It’s a great episode. It’s just that it’s all about character. It’s about Jim and Spock having a lot of hidden sadness and not knowing what the hell to do about it, then finally deciding to do what John Wayne would do. And I don’t mean that in a bad way, which is odd because usually I mention the Duke only ironically. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/88 "2009-07-01T01:15:39Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > **Fool of a Took!** It’s a great episode. It’s just that it’s all about character. It’s about Jim and Spock having a lot of hidden sadness I’ll go look it up at [startrek.com](http://startrek.com), but do they blow any shit up? ^:dubious:^ ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/89 "2009-07-01T01:25:47Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > You must be joking. :dubious: > > There are many good episodes of _Star Trek_. There are several mediocre episodes of _Star Trek_. Then, there are ridiculously poor episodes. “Naked Time” qualifies for the last category. Poor acting, insipid plot, almost a deus ex machina result. No, I am not joking. Where is it written that I must like the same things as you or anyone else here? Jesus. I ended up watching The Trouble With Tribbles (another favorite of mine) instead. I have recently seen Naked Time and don’t want it to pall on me. I like humorous ST and I like the shows that emphasize characterization. Obviously, your mileage varies. I honestly couldn’t care less about the science. Most of it’s BS, and even if it were possible, it would be hopelessly twisted to fit into something filmable and watchable (sorry, watching aeronautic engineers diddle with computers is just not riveting TV or real life), so the science doesn’t matter. What matters is that the universe so constructed hangs together logically (as much as it can). Keep those parameters consistent, and then build complex characters and situations that focus on universal human concerns and you’ve got a good, intelligent show. ST:TOS did that more often than not. About the only episode I can think of that completely sucked is Omega Glory, with its Yangs and Cons and the worship of the American flag (which must have been added by either a sponsor or the network). It’s stupid and embarrassing to watch. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/90 "2009-07-01T01:27:31Z")
Ah, yes. Mrs Plant, the Cecilia Adams of ST TOS, and I are, er, in disagreement over some of my favorite lines. We have yet to come to blows. Sulu waving his sabre runs up to Uhura and says, “I’ll sav you, fair maiden!” Uhura replies: CP “Sorry, I’m neither.” MP: “Neither” Riley locks himself in engineering, shuts down the engines and _Enterprise_ will soon crash intot he planet. Scotty is cutting throught the door with moments to prevent a crash. Riley says on ship to ship that he will sing _I’ll Take You Home, Kathleen_ one more time. Kirk says: CP For G-d’s sake, hurry! (in response to the Kathleen threat) MP renigged and **NOW** says, “Maybe that’s what he says.” Hmph. The same virus was reused in STNG. Picard and Riker seem surprised that there was another _Enterprise._ One would think that NCC 1701 no A,B,C or bloody D would be legend in Star Fleet/ ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/91 "2009-07-01T04:01:32Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Ah, yes. > Mrs Plant, the Cecilia Adams of ST TOS, and I are, er, in disagreement over some of my favorite lines. We have yet to come to blows. > Sulu waving his sabre runs up to Uhura and says, “I’ll sav you, fair maiden!” > Uhura replies: > > CP “Sorry, I’m neither.” > MP: “Neither” Courtesy of [Memory Alpha,](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Naked_Time_(episode)) you’re closest; “Sorry, neither”. If we’re talking Kirk getting/not getting any and raging 60’s sexism, how about [Dagger of the Mind?](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dagger_of_the_Mind_(episode)) Kirk: Hey, let’s go check out what’s happening on Planet Guantanamo. McCoy: Sure, I’m sending Dr. Short-Skirt Freud with you Dr. S-SF: Hey Captain, remember me from the lab Christmas party? Kirk: _OhshitOhshitOhshit_ Later, Kirk jumps into Evil Mind Control Chair on Planet G: Kirk: Let’s test this thing- plant an innocuous thought in my head Dr. S-SF: You _wuuuuv_ me, you’d die for me, and other obsessively weird romantic shit Kirk: Oh, God, I love you!!! I’ve been watching the blurays of season 1, and damn if they aren’t pretty decently developed, once restored to the full 50 minutes. And Spock is positively bemused half the time. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/92 "2009-07-01T14:20:30Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > …Dr. Short-Skirt Freud … I’m truly sorry that I didn’t think of this as a username. Although, being a guy, it might have been weird. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/93 "2009-07-01T16:17:34Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > For all we know it was in the original script and got cut. Given the wind howling on the planet, the shuttlecraft problem never bothered me. Not sending them a tent or some wood at least, did. I agree. The shuttle craft might have been something they hadn’t spent a lot of time thinking about. But even as a ten year old I was thinking send them a tent or something! Even a throwaway line about “atmospheric interference disrupting the tranporter, preventing any beaming” or some such nonsense would have been helpful. I remember hearing Robert Conrad or Wild Wild West fame answering a question about ten years ago on some WWW plot hole. He seemed a little pissed, but said that the writiers spend a few weeks writing these things and only a week shooting them. At the time there were no VCRs, and no one ever thought that fans would be disecting every line of dialogue for going on 45 years. He was correct of course. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/94 "2009-07-01T18:35:52Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > But then it wasn’t just his ship, but the Fate of the World (and his own future) at stake. > Me, I would have driven a stake through Joan Collins’ heart, but that’s just me. 🙂 Ever notice how she is filmed with about six inches of goo on the lens. I’ve seen soft focus, but this was absurd. Either the director thought this was romantic or she had some serious wrinkles they were hiding. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/95 "2009-07-01T18:40:51Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Have I said _Fool of a Took_ yet today? > > Oh, I don’t care. > > **Fool of a Took!** It’s a great episode. It’s just that it’s all about character. It’s about Jim and Spock having a lot of hidden sadness and not knowing what the hell to do about it, then finally deciding to do what John Wayne would do. And I don’t mean that in a bad way, which is odd because usually I mention the Duke only ironically. I suspect someone watching it after having partook of the entire mythos would find it boring. When it first aired, I thought it was great, since it gave so much background about these relatively new characters. TV shows at the time, as far as I had seen, never did this. The Robinsons, or the two guys in Time Tunnel, were just stereotypes being put through their paces. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/96 "2009-07-01T18:42:36Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The same virus was reused in STNG. Picard and Riker seem surprised that there was another _Enterprise._ One would think that NCC 1701 no A,B,C or bloody D would be legend in Star Fleet/ Almost the same virus. McCoy’s cure didn’t work on this one. Why did you think they were surprised about another Enterprise? After all, McCoy stopped in for a visit in the pilot. They might have been surprised that someone else ran into the same problem. BTW, the TOS episode was far superior. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/97 "2009-07-01T18:45:04Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Why did you think they were surprised about another Enterprise? After all, McCoy stopped in for a visit in the pilot. The look exchanged between Picard and Riker when Picard reads the reference to the virus and NCC1701. Perhaps I misinterpreted it. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/98 "2009-07-01T18:49:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The look exchanged between Picard and Riker when Picard reads the reference to the virus and NCC1701. Perhaps I misinterpreted it. I think you did. It was more of a “what are the odds that the same freaky thing would happen to two ships with the same name” look. Or perhaps a “Holy Zeus! Does this mean we’re going to have the same sort of freaky adventures of Jim Kirk? 'Cause if it does I want a transfer. Except–wait—I’m more like Kirk than you are, so this probably means I’ll be having lots of sex. Nevermind.” Picard’s look, of course, was easier translate: “You, Number One, are an idiot.” ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/99 "2009-07-01T20:54:07Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Ever notice how she is filmed with about six inches of goo on the lens. I’ve seen soft focus, but this was absurd. Either the director thought this was romantic or she had some serious wrinkles they were hiding. That sneeze lens effect was oft used; it may not have been very noticeable on a 17" 1966 tv, but now- CUT TO: Kirk, some other man-normal focus CUT TO: Nurse Chapel, Joan Collins, or any other woman over age 27- “hey, why is everything out of focus???” CUT TO: Kirk- “oh, good, they fixed it” > [@Voyager](#): > > BTW, the TOS episode was far superior. Do all ST shows have a ‘get crew shitfaced in some manner thus revealing their base personality traits as easy character development’ around S1, ep 3? TOS, NG- weird virus; ENT- bio-hallucinogen made away team paranoid while hiding in a cave. Seem to remember something similar in DS9 too ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/100 "2009-07-01T23:34:16Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Ever notice how she is filmed with about six inches of goo on the lens. I’ve seen soft focus, but this was absurd. Either the director thought this was romantic or she had some serious wrinkles they were hiding. Yes! The only other occasion I’ve seen that rivals it is the Lamchop Show with Shari Lewis (the one in the 80s). Talk about soft focus! I think Joan Collins is too old for Kirk in that show–NOT that I want him dating co-eds, but wasn’t she long in the tooth then? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182.md?page=6)