# Wait a Sec.... Questions RE Star Trek: TOS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 27, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182 "2009-06-27T16:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/161 "2009-07-04T19:44:03Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/162 "2009-07-04T19:48:57Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Apparently Spock got more action than is generally supposed- Must be their clothes or lack thereof compared to the tube Ma wore in _Star Trek 90210._ ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/163 "2009-07-04T20:58:10Z")
One thing about **The Cloud Minders** , Vanna has no interest in Kirk. Vanna is all business, devoted to her cause, intelligent and does not swoon over Kirk or Spock like almost every other female they encounter. It is refreshing. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/164 "2009-07-04T22:00:15Z")
Thinking about it, Scotty was more of a ladies man than Kirk in the series, having seemingly been involved enough with a coworker that it took alien possession to break them up. Also, Scotty is the only member of the TOS crew who ended up with a dead hooker on his hands, another first. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/165 "2009-07-04T22:08:55Z")
Excuse me, gentlemen. Does the name “Dr. Helen Noel” mean anything to you? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/166 "2009-07-04T22:09:51Z")
> [@ambushed](#): > > **Diana Ewing** as **Droxine** in that outfit is, again IMhomosexualmaleO, the most strikingly beautiful and by far the _ **hottest** _ woman ever to appear in Star Trek. Yum! > > And that’s not coming from a bisexual or anything close to that; I’m about a 5.5 on the Kinsey Scale! Hell, yes. This heterosexual male agrees with you. And Droxine was interested in Spock’s mind. Really, she was! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/167 "2009-07-04T23:49:23Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > In the real-word US Navy, [Grace Hopper](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper) retired Rear Admiral, Lower Half (which is what a Commodore was renamed to) without ever having been given command. She does have an _Arleigh Burke_-class guided missile destroyer named after her, though. I thought of her, but I don’t think she counts, since as a woman she couldn’t get combat experience. I know her reputation well. Once I gave a paper at a conference in a track at the same time as one where she was speaking. I would have much rather seen her than me. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/168 "2009-07-04T23:54:28Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Apparently Spock got more action than is generally supposed–that Droxine WAS hot for his form, no? And she was beautiful as well. But she was not Mariette Hartley (which is why we were all confused). No she isn’t. I think it is the Fredericks of Bedrock style that gets me going. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/169 "2009-07-05T00:27:37Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > Excuse me, gentlemen. Does the name “Dr. Helen Noel” mean anything to you? Big teeth? What about the female form that one of the Kelvans assumed (not to mention the clothing)? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/170 "2009-07-05T00:51:01Z")
Tis raining here, so no fireworks. I am off to watch The Deadly Years and add my mite to the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/171 "2009-07-05T01:43:32Z")
> [@Icerigger](#): > > One thing about **The Cloud Minders** , Vanna has no interest in Kirk. Vanna is all business, devoted to her cause, intelligent and does not swoon over Kirk or Spock like almost every other female they encounter. It is refreshing. Um…she didn’t swoon over KIRK. She was totally into the Vulcan, only she knew swooning wouldn’t get her anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/172 "2009-07-05T01:45:48Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Um…she didn’t swoon over KIRK. She was totally into the Vulcan, only she knew swooning wouldn’t get her anywhere. Droxine was into Spock. Vanna was the rebel leader. She dressed up sexy, as I recall, in a bid to get close enough to Kirk to knife him, but for her it was all business. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/173 "2009-07-05T01:47:03Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Um…she didn’t swoon over KIRK. She was totally into the Vulcan, only she knew swooning wouldn’t get her anywhere. Vanna is one of the miners, silly **Skald** –the one who leads the rebellion. I got halfway through TDY and realized I can’t stand this episode. The endocrinologist obviously had Daddy issues and watching an old Kirk is just no fun (plus it’s disconcerting because he doesn’t look like that now that he is the age they were trying to depict!). Off to watch The Ultimate Computer because I can’t recall that one off hand. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/174 "2009-07-05T02:04:03Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Vanna is one of the miners, silly **Skald** ooh! Might be my new sig. Shiny! ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/175 "2009-07-05T02:05:43Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Vanna is one of the miners, silly **Skald** –the one who leads the rebellion. > > I got halfway through TDY and realized I can’t stand this episode. The endocrinologist obviously had Daddy issues and watching an old Kirk is just no fun (plus it’s disconcerting because he doesn’t look like that now that he is the age they were trying to depict!). > > Off to watch The Ultimate Computer because I can’t recall that one off hand. How many times must I tell you people to stop bothering me with facts!!! [QUOTE=Sarah Palin] Facts are a crutch for people who lack the courage of their convictions. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/176 "2009-07-05T03:00:47Z")
It strikes me that Ms Palin would have made a great ST alien. I liked The Ultimate Computer–very man vs machine, with humanity winning out. No female aliens, though–only Uhura provided some estrogen for this one. I am really irked by the stupidity of BOTH of my browsers (or the site): if I try to skip a scene I get a screen that says “this program has been blocked by an AD blocker in your browser” or some such. There is NO such blocker. I’ve tried in Safari and FF–FF works marginally better. I may end up just getting the shows off YouTube. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/177 "2009-07-05T03:51:05Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > It strikes me that Ms Palin would have made a great ST alien. She’d look hot with some rubber thing on her face, a’ la Voyager aliens. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/178 "2009-07-05T06:04:43Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > She’d look hot with some rubber thing on her face, a’ la Voyager aliens. 🙂 If it keeps her from talking, I’m in favour. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/179 "2009-07-05T08:44:44Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I am really irked by the stupidity of BOTH of my browsers (or the site): if I try to skip a scene I get a screen that says “this program has been blocked by an AD blocker in your browser” or some such. There is NO such blocker. I’ve tried in Safari and FF–FF works marginally better. > I may end up just getting the shows off YouTube. :rolleyes: I got the same message when I tried watching in IE. I ended up pressing the CTRL key when I clicked on the link, and that seemed to work. Still, very annoying. I am also watching the TOS episodes for the first time ever (thanks to the Dope). I watched “Journey to Babel” first and then “Balance of Terror.” I was mightily confused when in “Balance of Terror” the Romulan captain was clearly Spock’s father from “Journey to Babel” and still in Vulcan make-up. What the hell? I guess they liked the actor so much from the first episode that they brought him back to play Spock’s dad. That’s what I get for watching the episodes out of order. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182/180 "2009-07-05T10:57:20Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > … About the only episode I can think of that completely sucked is Omega Glory, with its Yangs and Cons and the worship of the American flag (which must have been added by either a sponsor or the network). It’s stupid and embarrassing to watch. > > YMMV. Ah, but that’s the _perfect_ episode for your own OP! You asked: “Ever been left puzzled by a plot line in TOS? … Do you have any plot or characterizations in TOS that make you go 😕 or :dubious: later?” In _The Omega Glory_ (basically Roddenberry’s 4’th of July episode, which I just watched on the 4’th of July), there the crew is, hundreds of light-years from Earth, when a Yang carries in Old Glory itself! Yang chief Cloud William and Kirk then quote The Pledge of Allegiance – **the 1950’s version into which the phrase “under God” was sledgehammered!** Later, we see they have the _exact_ same U.S. Constitution, too! So: **How the hell did _that_ happen?!?** Talk about “😕 and/or :dubious:”! After seeing the American Flag, Spock briefly suggests parallel evolution, but at least the final scriptwriters knew better than to push _that_ very far, so Spock drops it. However, otherwise they refused to offer any other “explanation”! Only Douglas Adams, with his inimitable style and imagination, could _possibly_ have come up with one. Talk about fitting the OP! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-a-sec-questions-re-star-trek-tos/501182.md?page=10)