# Wait 'Til Next Year - or - You're Your NFL Team's GM! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 8, 2006, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524 "2006-02-08T11:05:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/121 "2006-03-16T04:38:43Z")
> [@fetus](#): > > Keep Drew. Keep Rivers. Heal Drew. Give Rivers lots and lots and lots and lots of practice snaps. Start Drew. Have Rivers ready for an emergency; play him in blowouts if Drew stays healthy. I think someone has been out of the loop. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/122 "2006-03-16T04:54:15Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I think someone has been out of the loop. If you mean I hadn’t read a single post in the thread, you’re right. (Whoops.) If you mean I didn’t hear what’s happened with Brees, you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/123 "2006-03-16T05:02:48Z")
Woulda shoulda coulda then. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/124 "2006-03-16T05:42:01Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Nope. From all the clips I’ve seen of this guy and watching his workouts, the guy never dropped a ball and gives a 110% every time out. Compared to DeAngelo Williams it’s like night and day. He’s a freakish athlete with prototype size. I’m convinced he’s the next Antonio Gates with better blocking skills. > > I’m not sure what the wise package would be here to go from the 26th slot up to say the 9th, someone probably has the value chart, but I wouldn’t be opposed to giving away a 1st, 2nd and 4th rounder to ensure they get him. The big bump in cap space would allow them to fill the gaps left by those draft picks in free agency. By “next Antonio Gates with better blocking skills”, you of course mean “Jeremy Shockey”, who the Giants sort of traded up in the first round to get. (They only moved up one spot, from 15 to 14, by offering their fourth rounder.) That’s not helpful, so hear’s a link to a [sample draft value chart](http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp). That page doesn’t mention the dropoff in future pick value, but I seem to recal that future picks are worth about half their normal value. Unfortunately, that means to trade up from 26th to the top ten, you’re swapping your 1st, 2nd, plus next year’s 1st. Not worth it. (That would be more than the Giants gave up in the Eli deal, for example.) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/125 "2006-03-16T05:44:28Z")
> [@Osip](#): > > LB: I like the LB group. Young but improving not spectacular but not speed bumps either. I like them as well, Karlos Dansby in particular. ---
**Author:** ![BabaBooey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dfb087/32.png) [@BabaBooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BabaBooey)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/126 "2006-03-16T07:55:54Z")
This Mario Williams guy better be damn good with all the talk I hear of the Saints drafting him. Will Smith and Charles Grant are young and have performed very well, and we need tons of help at LB. I wouldn’t mind seeing them go after D’Brickshaw in the spot, but if they trade down to, say, the 4-8 spot, I would like to see them go after Hawk or even give Brees his own version of Gates in Vernon Davis. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/127 "2006-03-16T12:13:42Z")
> [@BabaBooey](#): > > This Mario Williams guy better be damn good with all the talk I hear of the Saints drafting him. No. He sucks. He steals candy and kicks puppies. And his leg is broken. Leave him alone. –Hamlet, Packer (#5 pick) fan ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/128 "2006-03-16T18:51:30Z")
**Omniscent** , you think Chicago has been quiet, what about the Pats? The entire team has taken a walk. It’s almost like New England is the farm club for other teams now coached by ex-Pats coaches. Well, anyway, Belichick knows this shit better than I do, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. He certainly plays the un-sentimentalism card as well as anyone in the business. But damn, I hope they sign Vinatieri. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/129 "2006-03-16T19:03:57Z")
> [@Sal Ammoniac](#): > > **Omniscent** , you think Chicago has been quiet, what about the Pats? The entire team has taken a walk. It’s almost like New England is the farm club for other teams now coached by ex-Pats coaches. Well, anyway, Belichick knows this shit better than I do, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. He certainly plays the un-sentimentalism card as well as anyone in the business. But damn, I hope they sign Vinatieri. Hey, bad news is at least _news_. ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/130 "2006-03-18T14:36:47Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > I like them as well, Karlos Dansby in particular. I have high hopes for Blackstock drafted last year. Karlos has done well his first two years and seems to have yet met his full potential. James Darling is my personal favorite. Sure he is the “old man” of the three, he seems to make plays every time he is on the field. He is also the unquestionable glue that holds the younger Lb’s focused. Hayes is up and coming, but for now a special teams hawk. Did get involved more on the defensive side late in the season. Huff adds vet leadership, and is a good rotational player. Keys is another special teamer. So, depth is needed but not a serious issue. Osip ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/131 "2006-03-18T18:15:24Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’ll send you a DT in exchange for swapping picks. You can still get a warm body at TE and I get Vernon Davis. > > Who knew there were Cards fans? yeah, i think he’s one of three. be nice to him, he can slither back in the cracks in the desert if he’s frightened. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/132 "2006-03-18T18:17:58Z")
> [@Sal Ammoniac](#): > > **Omniscent** , you think Chicago has been quiet, what about the Pats? The entire team has taken a walk. It’s almost like New England is the farm club for other teams now coached by ex-Pats coaches. Well, anyway, Belichick knows this shit better than I do, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. He certainly plays the un-sentimentalism card as well as anyone in the business. But damn, I hope they sign Vinatieri. the kicker is gone, but you have added reche caldwell. where’s the confetti and the band? i don’t sense HAPPINESS. he’s a fast, young reciever. i liked david givens, but i think caldwell will serve as a suitable replacement. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/133 "2006-03-18T18:19:09Z")
ooh…by the way, it’s 1:18 on saturday and joe harrington still hasn’t been traded/dropped. i heard we were going to get a third round pick for him from the chiefs. if we do, i’m all for that. so, about the wonderful quarterback carousel i like to call the detroit lions, what do you guys think? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/134 "2006-03-19T05:01:20Z")
For the record: [A star is born: Owens signs with the Cowboys](http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2374189). Let’s all enjoy as this melts down with monumental proportions. Couldn’t happen to a better team. ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2006, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/135 "2006-03-20T02:06:54Z")
> [@Least Original User Name Ever](#): > > yeah, i think he’s one of three. be nice to him, he can slither back in the cracks in the desert if he’s frightened. Me? never I am not smart enough to hide my passion for Arizona football. We are due!!! I am a firm believer we will get to the superbowl in my lifetime. Osip ---
**Author:** ![Kiros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/439d5e/32.png) [@Kiros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiros)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2006, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/136 "2006-03-21T23:47:41Z")
It’s not up on any of the major sites yet, but there are preliminary reports coming out of some New England media outlets that Vinatieri has reached a preliminary agreement with the Indianapolis Colts, though they apparently can’t do anything official for three days because Vinatieri just switched agents. There is no news coming out of anything “official” at this point, but the local evening sports shows are reporting it and talking about it. That would obviously be pretty big… would kick the recent rivalry between the two teams up another notch, and likely would shake some of the local faith in the “Whatever They Do Is Right 'Till It Fails” school of thought (Though everyone is busy being distracted by the Sox at the moment). Also, what a waste of Vinatieri, in a silly dome. Blah. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2006, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/137 "2006-03-22T01:27:58Z")
> [@Osip](#): > > Me? never I am not smart enough to hide my passion for Arizona football. We are due!!! I am a firm believer we will get to the superbowl in my lifetime. > > Osip the cards gonna play the lions in the NFC championship game? ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2006, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/138 "2006-03-22T01:28:59Z")
> [@Kiros](#): > > It’s not up on any of the major sites yet, but there are preliminary reports coming out of some New England media outlets that Vinatieri has reached a preliminary agreement with the Indianapolis Colts, though they apparently can’t do anything official for three days because Vinatieri just switched agents. There is no news coming out of anything “official” at this point, but the local evening sports shows are reporting it and talking about it. > > That would obviously be pretty big… would kick the recent rivalry between the two teams up another notch, and likely would shake some of the local faith in the “Whatever They Do Is Right 'Till It Fails” school of thought (Though everyone is busy being distracted by the Sox at the moment). Also, what a waste of Vinatieri, in a silly dome. Blah. wow…i did not know that… that IS gonna make it rather interesting between em, huh? i like! ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2006, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/139 "2006-03-22T01:35:53Z")
New England is clearly trying out this strategy of letting everyone walk and replacing them with younger, cheaper people. I have to say, they’ve had good luck in the past picking guys off the scrap heap come cut-down time. It’s ballsy, and the fact is, if this were anywhere else, the fans would be going apeshit. Here people have learned to trust Belichik and Pioli. Of course, if the team comes in 6-10 next year… ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2006, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524/140 "2006-03-22T01:38:51Z")
Oh, and if I were GM, I would have given Vinatieri whatever he asked for. Way too often, the ability to kick a field goal is the only that stands between success and self-loathing. Witness the playoffs the year before last. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-til-next-year-or-youre-your-nfl-teams-gm/343524.md?page=8)