# Wait till I get my big groping hands on your soft little breasts! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 24, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398 "2004-11-24T01:54:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/1 "2004-11-24T01:54:01Z")
Why are women complianing so much? It’s for national safety! These little princesses and big babies need to suck it up! [Many Women Say Airport Pat-Downs Are a Humiliation](http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/23/business/23grope.html) > [@](#): > > But the Transportation Security Administration in the United States, already worried that metal detectors could not pick up nonmetallic explosives, issued new regulations requiring airport screeners to conduct more frequent and more intense secondary searches and pat-downs. > > The agency, part of the Department of Homeland Security, declined to break down the percentage of searches conducted by gender, but a spokeswoman said it did not treat women differently from men under the policy. While some men have complained about the groping nature of the searches, women object the most. Several women interviewed said that male colleagues had scoffed at their complaints, saying that a physical pat-down was a small price to pay for security. > > “I laugh when men tell me that,” said Betty Spence, president of the National Association for Female Executives, who says she has been selected for pat-downs several times in the last month on trips from New York to Chicago, Washington and Miami on various airlines. “Men don’t know how offensive it is to be touched by anyone when you don’t want to be touched.” > > She said she had switched to driving whenever she could. > > Amy Von Walter, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration, said: “The pat-downs were put in place to address T.S.A.'s abilities to detect explosives at the checkpoint. That was a key recommendation by the 9/11 Commission.” > > With such a new procedure, she said, the agency expected complaints. So far, it has received about 250, with the numbers trending downward in recent weeks, she said. > > None of the complaints have been resolved so far nor have any penalties been imposed ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/2 "2004-11-24T02:53:31Z")
Moving thread from IMHO to MPSIMS. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/3 "2004-11-24T03:04:15Z")
> [@](#): > > She said she had switched to driving whenever she could. :dubious: Just how short of a plane flight was this lady taking on a regular basis? If it’s short enough to drive, fer christ’s sake, why subject yourself to the sheer time insanity of flying, let alone the possible body cavity search? I do wonder, however, how many people they have found smuggling stuff in their brassieres. ---
**Author:** ![Ruby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/13edae/32.png) [@Ruby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruby)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/4 "2004-11-24T03:31:21Z")
> [@](#): > > … trips from New York to Chicago, Washington and Miami We can assume that she’s not driving any of these routes. How is it different for a woman to have her breasts touched from a man having his manparts touched? Or is it that women just complain more? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/5 "2004-11-24T03:46:43Z")
Well, if it’s guys doing the touching of women, that’s probably a big turnoff right there. Also, from what I’ve heard, the amount of fondling a woman’s breasts can take before it gets painful is considerably less than the amount a man’s parts can take, popular press & body humor jokes notwithstanding. But the lady wasn’t talking about it being painful, but humiliating. I’m reminded of a thread by **BottledBlondeJeannie** on how often she got tagged for the body search… ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/6 "2004-11-24T04:32:13Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I do wonder, however, how many people they have found smuggling stuff in their brassieres. I don’t know. But if these people protest and actually get breasts placed out of bounds for searching, I know where a lot of stuff will be smuggled in the future. ---
**Author:** ![LordVor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@LordVor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LordVor)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/7 "2004-11-24T06:17:57Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > I don’t know. But if these people protest and actually get breasts placed out of bounds for searching, I know where a lot of stuff will be smuggled in the future. Their asshole? Or do you propose we start probing those as well? -lv ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/8 "2004-11-24T06:43:53Z")
> [@LordVor](#): > > Their asshole? Or do you propose we start probing those as well? > > -lv Is this a joke? (Not trying to be a jerk, just didn’t know if your humor was too dry for me.) He means that if breasts are off limits to searchers, people will start smuggling things in their bra’s. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/9 "2004-11-24T06:44:58Z")
Should that apostrophe be there? ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Girl)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/10 "2004-11-24T06:48:05Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > Is this a joke? (Not trying to be a jerk, just didn’t know if your humor was too dry for me.) He means that if breasts are off limits to searchers, people will start smuggling things in their bra’s. Yes, but where do you draw the line? If it’s okay to grope a woman’s breast with no reason to suspect that she’s smuggling something, isn’t it just as okay to do a cavity search? Of course, I see there’s a line, but for some people it may be drawn before breast grabbing rather than before asshole poking. ---
**Author:** ![Tikki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5daacb/32.png) [@Tikki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tikki)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/11 "2004-11-24T06:52:07Z")
Yup, you could hide a lot under mine. 😉 I say let them pat me down. They have a job to do. Besides, when you’re patting down a couple thousand people a day, I doubt that you’re getting your jollies from it anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Iceland\_Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@Iceland\_Blue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iceland_Blue)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/12 "2004-11-24T10:45:29Z")
Not wishing to be obvious… ‘OK Mrs X. you’re unhappy at being patted down by a male, just wait a few moments and we’ll get a female to do it.’ ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/13 "2004-11-24T11:03:18Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > Should that apostrophe be there? No. ---
**Author:** ![NutMagnet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ea5d25/32.png) [@NutMagnet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NutMagnet)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/14 "2004-11-24T14:11:47Z")
I thought it was already the procedure that females pat down females and males do males. I also understood that this is done with the back of the hand and that rubber gloves are worn. From here: [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE\_ID=25974](http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25974) > [@](#): > > Here’s what screeners cannot do: > Run the hand wand closer than 1 inch from your body. > > Rub the wand on your body or insert it into your clothing. > > Pat you down if you request a screener of the same sex – and that person is available. > > \*\*Pat down the breast area of females (if necessary) if the screener is male. \*\* > > Physically inspect your hair if it’s not long (and able to conceal a weapon). > > Touch your neck, shoulders, ankles and feet with a clutched hand (it must be open). > > Touch the rest of your body, such as the waist, with the palm of their hand (they must use the back of their hand). > > Inspect your belt area with their fingers (they must use their thumbs, placing them between the belt and the pants, and circling the waist). > > Run their fingers inside your shirt or down your socks. > > Open your pants or ask you to remove them. > > Ask you to take off your shirt or socks. > > Ask you to remove your belt (even if it’s a money belt). > > Ask you to remove your shoes before entering the metal detector. > > Lose possession of anything you remove from your body during the screening. > > Screen you out of view of your x-rayed belongings (unless you request screening take place at a private location). ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/15 "2004-11-24T14:25:48Z")
Female passengers are patted by female workers. The ‘up the ass’ response is trying to point out that this pat down doesn’t cover that area and a ‘plastic’ explosive could be smuggled there. Are we also going to have cavity searches? Many people say; “Oh do it! It makes us safer! It is for security!”, to which I ask, where would you draw the line? What wouldn’t you allow ‘for security’? This increase in breast pat downs is in response to the Russian planes that were brought down. Now they think that two women smuggled the explosives on to the planes but we don’t know the method. We don’t know that they stuffed their bras with C4 and got on that way. Just like we now have to remove our shoes thanks to the shoe bomber guy. (jerk!) If some terrorist uses a child to smuggle a bomb on a plane, would you have them do a cavity search on your child as you fly down to Disney World? Where would you draw the line? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/16 "2004-11-24T14:31:27Z")
Y’know, this whole pat down thing is malarkey. The only folks they’re going to catch are the occaisional nutjobs who haven’t thought their plans out very well, and I doubt the per passenger incidence of that kind of horseplay is significantly higher than it was in the '70s. During the Gulf War, it was not unheard of for POWs to slide strips of metal not unlike sharpened knitting needles just under the skin of their forearms…and then surrender with some heroic escape plan in mind involving the use of the improvised weapon. With that kind of determination and cunning in a bombarded and starving grunt soldier–elite or otherwise–how likely do you think it is that one of Bin Laden’s mentally prepared and thoroughly dedicated minions is to pad a bra or jockstrap with a few ounces of plastique? Why risk mission failure when you can easily seal a pound or more of it in saran wrap, slice a small hole in your belly and insert the package with only a pair of wires (or some non-metallic conductor suitable for use with a 9-volt battery?) protruding and hidden by body hair? This can be done in a living room under local anasthesia considering infection is really not a concern. Or yes, a C-4 dildo? It won’t take much–just enough to knock a fist-sized hole in a pressurized cabin moving 600 mph at 25,000 feet. Science can take over to finish off the plane. If we’re not going to commit to full body cavity searches and x-rays of EVERY passenger, we might as well not even bother at all. Says I. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/17 "2004-11-24T14:33:37Z")
So once the bra becomes out of fashion as a place to smuggle stuff because the screeners might find it, are we going to have to worry about the evil C4 Tampon Of Doom and have screeners standing there with a speculum to make sure nothing’s crammed into any cavities? ---
**Author:** ![Optihut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/edb3f5/32.png) [@Optihut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Optihut)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/18 "2004-11-24T17:40:32Z")
Thanks for the headsup. One more reason not to fly into US airports until the government cleans up their act. It would be nice, now that the terrorist card doesn’t need to played in order to win an election, if the aimless panic would stop and such knee-jerk measures would be reduced. ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/19 "2004-11-24T17:47:26Z")
> [@Optihut](#): > > Thanks for the headsup. One more reason not to fly into US airports until the government cleans up their act. It would be nice, now that the terrorist card doesn’t need to played in order to win an election, if the aimless panic would stop and such knee-jerk measures would be reduced. I don’t think this is a US thing. The one time I did get my breasts patted down while traveling I was in the Amsterdam airport en route to Dehli. My male colleague got his jimmy patted down pretty well, much to our amusement. ---
**Author:** ![Iceland\_Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@Iceland\_Blue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iceland_Blue)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-till-i-get-my-big-groping-hands-on-your-soft-little-breasts/276398/20 "2004-11-24T17:53:32Z")
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