# Wait... what happened to Lexicon? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2001, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122 "2001-08-31T15:17:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![John487](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@John487](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John487)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/81 "2001-08-31T23:30:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Slip Mahoney \* > Well, John487, I’ve read most of your posts, and you don’t appear too happy to be here. i’m not a happy guy in general, life sucks. > [@](#): > > You’re just one more in the long line of malcontents that finds some sort of perversive joy in criticizing your hosts. think what you like. > [@](#): > > So, allow me to repeat myself: Fuck off, you’re bothering me. and who are you again? > [@](#): > > By the way, I do work for the government. haha! ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/82 "2001-08-31T23:47:12Z")
Sigh. Will no one remove this stone from my shoe? Goodbye, John0. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/83 "2001-08-31T23:48:16Z")
> [@](#): > > I think the cheers thing is very obvious. Maybe its some sort of moderator thing. Nope, **Izzy**. As near as I can tell, it could easily be referring to Veb. Not that it matters. ---
**Author:** ![John487](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@John487](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John487)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/84 "2001-08-31T23:48:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Manservant Hecubus \* > I’m not referring to his banning, because that was obviously warranted. I’m referring to the fact that at first glance, this means that you can sling insults as much as you like, as long as they’re veiled. And at second glance…well, it still pretty much looks that way. > > I just don’t understand. i suspect it’s somewhat because they used to ban people for stronger offences that acutally had it coming. now they ban for lesser offences errrr you could say they have a tougher policy, i suppose. anyhow, they used to ban people that were major jerks and annoyances and they would get shunned (naturally). now they ban for lesser offense, but yet the trend is still the same–they get shunned. i’m probably wrong though, because 1) i get on government worker’s nerves… 2) i have a low post count and 3) - because i take minority stances. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/85 "2001-08-31T23:48:41Z")
FRANCESCA, are you seriously unclear on why he was banned? ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/86 "2001-08-31T23:49:11Z")
I haven’t seen this mentioned yet, but is it possible the person that broke into the boards a week or two ago -and took the passwords of all of us users- came back as **Lexicon**? I don’t know if it’s possible, with the steps the board took after the hack, but it occurs to me this may not be the Lexicon we all know of. Partly because of the obviousness of the banning, and partly because he came after me this same only a few days ago in the pit. After a reasonable, non-confrontational post in a relatively tame thread, he adds some jabs to me completely out of the blue. If we were bashing each other, I could see it. But back then, it was so out-of-the-blue, and odd, that I couldn’t make sense of the jab then or now. I mean, I don’t know about anyone else, but that’s not the Lexicon I remember. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/87 "2001-08-31T23:54:02Z")
> [@](#): > > i suspect it’s somewhat because they used to ban people for stronger offences that acutally had it coming. Cite? Oh, and define “had it coming.” > [@](#): > > now they ban for lesser offences Cite? > [@](#): > > anyhow, they used to ban people that were major jerks and annoyances and they would get shunned (naturally). Cite? > [@](#): > > now they ban for lesser offense, but yet the trend is still the same–they get shunned. Cite? > [@](#): > > i’m probably wrong though, because 1) i get on government worker’s nerves… Errr, you brought the government thing up. > [@](#): > > 1. i have a low post count So? What the fuck difference have you deluded yourself into thinking _that_ makes? > [@](#): > > and 3) - because i take minority stances. No, because you whine, piss, and moan. I second the motion. Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/88 "2001-08-31T23:59:26Z")
**John487** , you’re going to have to explain a few things here, because, well, I’m not entirely sure if English is your primary language. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by John487 \* > \*\* > i suspect it’s somewhat because they used to ban people for stronger offences that acutally had it coming._\* The offences had it coming? > [@](#): > > \*\* now they ban for lesser offences errrr you could say they have a tougher policy, i suppose.\*\* I think I get that, but what’s with the “errrr”. You having a seisure? You need some help? > [@](#): > > \*\* > anyhow, they used to ban people that were major jerks and annoyances and they would get shunned (naturally). now they ban for lesser offense, but yet the trend is still the same–they get shunned.\*\* Who get’s shunned? And why? What? Who? Huh? > [@](#): > > \*\* > i’m probably wrong though, because 1) i get on government worker’s nerves… 2) i have a low post count and 3) - because i take minority stances. \*\* Actually, the answer is - 4) none of the above. You’re wrong because you’re an idiot. Now if they’ll only tighten up the rules a little more and start banning people for not using capitalization - oh what a happy day _that’ll_ be. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/89 "2001-09-01T00:06:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IzzyR \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by TVeblen \* > > Let it be noted after I warned **Lexicon** to refrain from personal attacks his response to me was (in part), “Cheers, bitch.” I don’t like being called a bitch for doing my job. > > I believe you have misunderstood the post that provoked you. > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Lexicon \* > > All I’m saying is that this chic read something that was obviously sarcastic, and told me it sounds like I have my head up my ass. I’m sorry I started it though, sure. > > Fuck all that. That’s why I said what I did. Cheers, bitch. > > An absurd statement deserves an absurd response. > > Clearly, the words “Cheers, bitch” were a characterization of his words to Jodi, not an insult to you. > \*\* “Clearly”? Hardly. I’ve read it three or four times now, and I can’t see any way to interpret it except in refernce to Veb. ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/90 "2001-09-01T00:06:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Zette, it has to be said: those boobies deserve a better bike. Frankly, it’s nice to see someone remembers exactly what this thread is supposed to be about. My boobs. Remember?? What a bunch of hijacking idjits, all of you. Cold, you’ll have to buy yourself a bike and bring it overseas to NY with you. I’ll take whatever pics you like on it 😉 Zette ---
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/91 "2001-09-01T00:07:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jodi \* > \*\*FRANCESCA, are you seriously unclear on why he was banned? \*\* No, and I’m in full agreement with his banning - a line was very clearly crossed. The point I was making, albeit obscurely, was that your implication that his threat would have been okay if he’d couched it in terms you’re more happy with, is not reasonable. As **MH** said, it doesn’t matter whether you say rectal-cranial inversion or that he had his head stuck up his ass, the intention behind your message is clear. You can be polite or you can be blunt but to pretend that couching an insult in “better” language makes it less offensive doesn’t sit well with me. ---
**Author:** ![John487](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@John487](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John487)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/92 "2001-09-01T00:10:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > > > [@](#): > > > > i suspect it’s somewhat because they used to ban people for stronger offences that acutally had it coming. > > Cite? Oh, and define “had it coming.” like being an ‘over the top’ jerk, everyone can be jerks on occasion. ever had a bad day at work? > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > now they ban for lesser offences > > Cite? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > anyhow, they used to ban people that were major jerks and annoyances and they would get shunned (naturally). > > Cite? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > now they ban for lesser offense, but yet the trend is still the same–they get shunned. > > Cite? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > i’m probably wrong though, because 1) i get on government worker’s nerves… > > Errr, you brought the government thing up. errr, you have anything better to say? > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > 1. i have a low post count > > So? What the fuck difference have you deluded yourself into thinking _that_ makes? i don’t think it makes a difference but a few have mentioned it, so it sounds like it makes a difference to some. _The word of the day for andros is–Sarcasm._ :moving along: > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > and 3) - because i take minority stances. > > No, because you whine, piss, and moan. i came in here reasonable enough, i didn’t start slinging the shit. you’re the one pissing because you haven’t really said anything ‘noteworthy’ in this thread. > [@](#): > > I second the motion. Fuck off. hey - you’re entitled to your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/93 "2001-09-01T00:10:36Z")
Zette, Woohoo!! Errr, ahem. Let’s not get distracted now. This is about us Nazi Mods banning people for nothing, after all. 'Course, we’d never ban anyone with a good rack. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/94 "2001-09-01T00:20:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John487 \* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > i suspect it’s somewhat because they used to ban people for stronger offences that acutally had it coming. > > > > Cite? Oh, and define “had it coming.” > > like being an ‘over the top’ jerk, everyone can be jerks on occasion. ever had a bad day at work? Are you honestly of the opinion that if you had a bad day at work, you can take out your frustrations on others? I don’t see long-term romantic relationships in your future, lessen you find yourself a good old-fashioned self-loathing masochist. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Kayeby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de0a6/32.png) [@Kayeby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kayeby)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/95 "2001-09-01T00:25:05Z")
Holy crap. I just read through that thread. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![John487](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@John487](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John487)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/96 "2001-09-01T00:25:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SuaSponte \* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by John487 \* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > > > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > > i suspect it’s somewhat because they used to ban people for stronger offences that acutally had it coming. > > > > > > Cite? Oh, and define “had it coming.” > > > > like being an ‘over the top’ jerk, everyone can be jerks on occasion. ever had a bad day at work? > > Are you honestly of the opinion that if you had a bad day at work, you can take out your frustrations on others? I don’t see long-term romantic relationships in your future, lessen you find yourself a good old-fashioned self-loathing masochist. > > Sua no, i don’t think it’s an excuse for being a jerk, but it happens. if you look around at the pit you’ll see a lot of people coming here to vent out their daily frustrations. or am i wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/97 "2001-09-01T00:26:03Z")
FRANCESCA – > [@](#): > > The point I was making, albeit obscurely, was that your implication that his threat would have been okay if he’d couched it in terms you’re more happy with, is not reasonable. As MH said, it doesn’t matter whether you say rectal-cranial inversion or that he had his head stuck up his ass, the intention behind your message is clear. You can be polite or you can be blunt but to pretend that couching an insult in “better” language makes it less offensive doesn’t sit well with me. A thousand pardons for having posted something that didn’t sit well with you. Allow me to clarify: 1. I took MH’s question of whether it would be “okay” to mean “okay with me,” i.e., not have offended me, since it was, y’know, directed at me (both the insult and MH’s question). The answer to that is "yeah, it would have been okay with me, because in light of my arguably semantic post, him responding in a similar vein would have struck me as both appropriate and amusing – “touche,” in other words. (Wish I knew how to do the accent thingy.) It is entirely reasonable for me to both think this and say this, since it is, after all, my opinion. 2. Whether or not what he posts is “okay” has nothing to do with how it strikes me. I am not a moderator. I do not make the decisions of what is “okay” or not around here, if by “okay” you mean “appropriate.” I can only answer whether it would have been okay with me (not offensive to me). (I’ll repeat, for that matter, that it _was_ okay with me, in the sense that I wasn’t offended by it.) Whether his comment was “okay” in any larger sense is not for me to say, and I have never tried to assert that it is. That’s why the mods get paid the big bucks. 3. I’m not big on “pretending” and not big on being told I have done so. I know exactly what I said; I know exactly what I meant. I did not, particularly, intend my initial comment as a personal insult though, as I have said, I can see how it would be construed that way. (In which case – To the Pit!) I have never said a sentiment becomes less offensive if “couched” a different way – that was not the question MH asked nor the question I answered. All of which has nothing to do with why LEXICON was banned, since, as you yourself appear to realize, it was not his “suck my dick” comment that got him banned. Would his “cheers, bitch” comment have not resulted in a banning if more humorously put? Dunno. Ask VEB. I hope your assumption regarding my opinion sits easier with you know that you know it’s neither what I said nor what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/98 "2001-09-01T00:27:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CnoteChris \* > I haven’t seen this mentioned yet, but is it possible the person that broke into the boards a week or two ago -and took the passwords of all of us users- came back as **Lexicon**?.. Actually, I was wondering the same thing myself. He always seemed a bit confrontational, but nothing of that sort. Of course, it could just be an old-fashioned meltdown… ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/99 "2001-09-01T02:11:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Lex himself came on the scene (under his orginal name SmickD), with a somewhat abrasive personality, IMO. In fact he and I got into a bit of a rumpus way back when. But we both cooled off and we’ve gotten along fine since then. And what a classic rumpus that was, even if it was really supposed to be about **Satan**. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=7676](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=7676) Please note, this was over a year and a half ago, and things were different then. And **Alphagene** wasn’t a moderator. Nor were **John Corrado** or **TVeblen**. Interesting quote from that thread, by **Lexicon** : “Hey Val. When I want you to open your mouth I’ll tell you to suck my dick.” So if was being framed, someone’s done their research. Actually, much of the same attitude towards women can be seen there, which somehow was hidden behind the facade of an intelligent and likeable guy for the past 18 months or so. I liked that **lex** , but apparently it wasn’t the real one. ---
**Author:** ![Beltane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@Beltane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beltane)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122/100 "2001-09-01T02:18:55Z")
> [@](#): > > The point I was making, albeit obscurely, was that your implication that his threat would have been okay if he’d couched it in terms you’re more happy with, is not reasonable. As MH said, it doesn’t matter whether you say rectal-cranial inversion or that he had his head stuck up his ass, the intention behind your message is clear. You can be polite or you can be blunt but to pretend that couching an insult in “better” language makes it less offensive doesn’t sit well with me. So saying to someone “that’s complete drek you dork” is the same as saying “thats complete shit you dick”? Yes, the dictionary definitions are the same, but certainly think one is more socially acceptable than the other. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wait-what-happened-to-lexicon/79122.md?page=6)