# Walmart employee found dead in Walk in Oven **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 24, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150 "2024-10-24T14:46:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/101 "2024-10-26T20:48:35Z")
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**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/102 "2024-10-26T21:09:31Z")
I do want to be clear: I don’t actually think it’s the mother… or anyone in particular (even the victim herself) at this point. I do expect that this will not be an unsolved mystery for long, whether homicide, suicide, or accidental death (and don’t rule that out, either: first, this could be a different model of oven than what was in the Tik, second, just because safety features, _when operating properly_, should have prevented accidental death, it should never be assumed that such features were in fact operating properly). ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/103 "2024-10-26T22:29:57Z")
I changed the title to reflect that the place and manner of death seems to be unknown. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/104 "2024-10-27T00:33:26Z")
That’s a good change. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/105 "2024-10-27T03:18:38Z")
I’m skeptical about the suicide theory. Yes people commit suicides in painful ways sometimes, but usually in ways where once you start it’s very difficult to stop (eg immolation) and being seen to be in pain is a big part of doing it. I can’t see someone slowly roasting in agony. Although, a silly suicide idea, _then followed by_ an accident or faulty latch say, starts to look more plausible. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/106 "2024-10-27T03:36:42Z")
The simplest explanation is that she was murdered and then hidden in the oven, with the added benefit to the killer that DNA and other evidence would be destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/107 "2024-10-27T03:41:13Z")
The other question is why the HVAC system didn’t distribute any odors throughout the store. That should have alerted Walmart security and anyone else inside the building. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/108 "2024-10-27T03:44:20Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The other question is why the HVAC system didn’t distribute any odors throughout the store. Because it gets exhausted outside, not throughout the store. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/109 "2024-10-27T03:44:31Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > The simplest explanation is that she was murdered and then hidden in the oven Not that simple. That means the murder occurred off camera (where? the bathroom?) and then a dead body was moved while the store was open but yet nobody saw a thing, AND I have a hard time believing anyone would murder a teenage girl who’s working her job in the middle of a big-box store populated with customers, other employees, the occasional manager … ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/110 "2024-10-27T03:50:19Z")
The cameras are for the sales floor or other places where theft is likely to occur. It happened in the evening and likely in the back of the bakery when not a lot of people were there. The mother was looking for the daughter in the bakery, so I assume that’s where the daughter was working. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/111 "2024-10-27T04:40:46Z")
I don’t think it’s quite time to bring out “the razor.” The simplest explanation is… we don’t have one yet, and don’t need one as the investigation is in its early stages. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/112 "2024-10-27T05:02:59Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I don’t think it’s quite time to bring out “the razor.” Too bad. If everyone gets to postulate what happened, so do I. Sorry it’s not as interesting as “she walked into the oven in order to kill herself”. Note I didn’t say it was the only possible explanation, just the simplest. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/113 "2024-10-27T05:16:43Z")
As all true crime fans’ SOs know, murders fail to destroy the evidence by burning (or roasting) the body, since very few house fires raise it to crematory levels. Strangulation breaks the hyoid bone, suffocation causes excess fluid in the pleural tissue, etc. The only undetectable cause of death is when the ME doesn’t bother to detect for it. And now they test for many more things that have achieved notoriety (ruining it for those few wives who knew what a regular lacing of his morning coffee with Visine can achieve). ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/114 "2024-10-27T05:28:16Z")
Just so long as we’re all clear that we are still very much in the uncertainty/speculation phase, not the probability/conclusory stage. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/115 "2024-10-27T05:43:22Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > The cameras are for the sales floor or other places where theft is likely to occur. The back areas in my grocery store have cameras as well. Employee/vendor theft can be a major issue - about ten years ago one of our locations here in WA busted a Little Debbie vendor who’d stolen about $80,000 worth of product from us over the course of several years. For that matter, we used to have an assistant manager who’d sit in the security office during his downtime and watch employees in the back to make sure they weren’t slacking off. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/116 "2024-10-27T05:46:44Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The back areas in my grocery store have cameras as well. Employee/vendor theft can be a major issue Yes, I’m well aware, which is why I wrote “or other places where theft is likely to occur.” That would also include loading docks, in case someone was going to add that. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/117 "2024-10-27T05:50:03Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Just so long as we’re all clear that we are still very much in the uncertainty/speculation phase, Lol!! I didn’t realize you’d become the thread monitor. Or moderator. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/118 "2024-10-27T05:53:03Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > That would also include loading docks, in case someone was going to add that. To the best of my knowledge, the only parts of our store that don’t have camera coverage are the bathrooms and one specific conference room that we use for new employee orientations. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/119 "2024-10-27T05:56:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > and one specific conference room that we use for new employee orientations. That sounds ominous… ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150/120 "2024-10-27T05:57:42Z")
In Walmart the dressing rooms are also non-cams (as you’d expect). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walmart-employee-found-dead-in-walk-in-oven/1009150.md?page=7)