# Walz & Vance Debate Follow-Along -- Tue, Oct 1, 2024, 8:00 PM CDT **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284 "2024-09-30T14:05:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/1 "2024-09-30T14:05:38Z")
Launching this thread early to allow time to get our ducks in a row. > **[What to watch as JD Vance and Tim Walz meet for a vice presidential debate](https://apnews.com/article/debate-what-to-watch-walz-vance-b5ef720628956789c3373562ddbd0b01)** > > Republican JD Vance and Democrat Tim Walz will meet Tuesday in the lone vice presidential debate of the 2024 election. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/2 "2024-09-30T16:16:38Z")
Thanks for starting the thread @ThelmaLou! As I mentioned in the monthly mini-rants thread in The Pit, my understanding is that there will be no fact-checking by the moderators; the candidates are expected to provide their own fact-checking. So we’ll see how that goes. Also, I guess I need to hit the liquor store. I’m out of whiskey! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/3 "2024-09-30T16:27:37Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > I’m out of whiskey! Reading that made me laugh out loud. We have a tradition of calling any liquor other than beer, whiskey. Being “out of whiskey” would be outrageous! ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/4 "2024-09-30T16:30:57Z")
Well actually, I’m out of beer too! But for the debate I plan on drinking Manhattans. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/5 "2024-09-30T18:35:27Z")
I have a planning board meeting that evening and don’t know what time I’ll get home. I might catch part of the debate but it’s unlikely I’ll be able to watch all of it and I might well miss most of it. Might drop in on this thread when I do get home and have dealt with anything else immediate. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/6 "2024-10-01T11:06:58Z")
In advance, a question: There have been memorable VP debate moments but anyone know of any that meaningfully impacted the election? Even horrible performances seemed to do nothing. And of the insignificant impacts made, any that were other than a viral moment, like the fly on Pence, or the Quayle put down? ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/7 "2024-10-01T13:43:21Z")
I’ll post my fantasy here. Walz comments that Vance admitted making up stories and says “What kind of person does something like that?” He then goes on to comment on how his students were much better liars, throws in a few quotes about how Vance compared Trump to Hitler (bonus points if he does it in response to Vance accusing Harris of flip flopping) and then tells us how to gap a spark plug. He can also reuse his line about what a monster he is for wanting children fed so they can learn. I’m working on my bingo card. So far the center square is any comments about pets in any context. We also have Walz holding his hand over his heart, Vance insinuating in any way that a woman’s primary role is to raise children, Walz using a football metaphor, Vance mentioning his time in the military, Walz using the term “joyful warrior” and Vance complaining about his children. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/8 "2024-10-01T14:42:52Z")
In retrospect, they should have captured that fly on Pence’s head and put it in the Smithsonian. I’m a little apprehensive about tonight- Walz is entering a cage match against a madman. Sure, on logic he wins but the opposition is not afraid to do nothing but sling mud and if enough of it sticks it could have a negative impact. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/9 "2024-10-01T14:48:44Z")
Trump has already seeded the idea that the VP debate will be unfair. Business as usual. > **[Donald Trump plays down expectations for JD Vance in VP debate](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jd-vance-debate-rigged-1961790)** > > The former President said he believes the debate will be "rigged" against his running mate, like it was against him. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/10 "2024-10-01T14:58:44Z")
Always have a backup excuse ready for why you did so poorly. Never take responsibility! ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/11 "2024-10-01T21:22:29Z")
I want someone to ask Vance exactly what he would have done in Pence’s shoes on January 6, 2021. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/12 "2024-10-01T21:43:26Z")
Great question, @Elmer_J.Fudd ! Let’s hope it happens. Thanks for starting the thread, @ThelmaLou . I was hoping that there would be a follow-along thread, and I’m glad to see that you made one. I’m sure that a number of us will be watching and posting when the debate occurs. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/13 "2024-10-01T21:47:12Z")
He could say he’d do the opposite of Pence and lose no votes. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/14 "2024-10-01T21:59:38Z")
Have O’Donnell and Brennan oversaw other debates you’ve seen? I could see other CBS staff who are perhaps more experienced at getting candidates to answer their questions or fact check as they go along. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/15 "2024-10-01T22:15:54Z")
My tolearance for Vance is wven lower than Trump (sort of dull to it) so will get it mostly from MSNBC analysts following the debate and any good clips. Rachel Maddow gave some background on Vance: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/VeVhHNSe9Ks/maxresdefault.jpg "Watch: Rachel Maddow lays out why you should care about JD Vance's real agenda") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeVhHNSe9Ks) ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/16 "2024-10-01T22:21:35Z")
Any suggestions for “must take a sip” phrases? ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/17 "2024-10-01T22:26:40Z")
“Mind your own damn business” “That’s why we named our daughter Hope” “Joyful Warrior” “Open Borders” ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/18 "2024-10-01T22:30:44Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Always have a backup excuse ready for why you did so poorly. Never take responsibility! Yep. It’s like blaming the refs for losing the game before it’s even played. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/19 "2024-10-01T22:53:21Z")
> [@TeroSunbear](#): > > …will get it mostly from MSNBC analysts following the debate and any good clips… Me, too. Nobody does it like Rachel. * * * > [@dasmoocher](#): > > Yep. It’s like blaming the refs for losing the game before it’s even played. And the company that makes the footballs and the uniforms. And the guys who maintain the field. And the people who sell the popcorn, peanuts, and beer. **It’s everybody’s fault!** But never mine. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/20 "2024-10-01T23:16:09Z")
MSNBC is already doing the pre-analysis analysis. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284.md?page=2)