# Walz & Vance Debate Follow-Along -- Tue, Oct 1, 2024, 8:00 PM CDT **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284 "2024-09-30T14:05:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/21 "2024-10-01T23:38:01Z")
2025 Trans-anything Inflation Sleepy Deep State Laptop Crime Family Obama Guitar Taylor Swift Crowd size Egg price Gas price Afghanistan More of a bingo board than drinking shots. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/22 "2024-10-01T23:45:00Z")
3 1/2 Years Border Czar ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/23 "2024-10-01T23:47:21Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > > [@Shoeless](#): > > > > Always have a backup excuse ready for why you did so poorly. Never take responsibility! > > Yep. It’s like blaming the refs for losing the game before it’s even played. He does so even when he wins so no difference, but yes, here he basically preempts his followers from even paying attention to what Vance says since it’s all part of the Great Unfairness against Trump. JD is not even given the honor to fail on his own. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/24 "2024-10-01T23:58:01Z")
Why am I nervous about this debate? ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/25 "2024-10-02T00:04:30Z")
May it be boring. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/26 "2024-10-02T00:13:40Z")
I don’t think it will be boring. It will be interesting. Vance will undoubtedly make some boneheaded remarks (e.g. Haitians eating dogs and cats in Springfield), and Walz will undoubtedly come up with a football reference or analogy. Neither will be as flat or as boring as Ferris Bueller’s economics teacher. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/27 "2024-10-02T00:20:24Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Neither will be as flat or as boring as Ferris Bueller’s economics teacher. Ben Stein, who was a speechwriter for Tricky Dick Nixon himself. > **[Ben Stein](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein)** > > Benjamin Jeremy Stein (born November 25, 1944) is an American writer, lawyer, actor, comedian, and commentator on political and economic issues. He began his career as a speechwriter for U.S. presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford before entering the entertainment field as an actor, comedian, and game show host. He is best known on screen as the economics teacher in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, as the host of Win Ben Stein's Money, and as Dr. Arthur Neuman in The Mask and Son of the Mask. Stein ... ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/28 "2024-10-02T00:28:10Z")
No idea; I personally can’t imagine a likely scenario where it’s a huge disaster for Walz based on what little I know about both candidates. It probably exists, but it’s not coming to mind easily. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/29 "2024-10-02T00:32:54Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Why am I nervous about this debate? Probably because Vance, although evil, hypocritical, totally unethical and self-serving and totally lacking in empathy and an inveterate liar, differs from his orange boss in that he’s not actually stupid, and won’t be as easily manipulated as the Orange Imbecile. As a genuinely good and honest man, Walz has his work cut out for him. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/30 "2024-10-02T00:38:13Z")
And I’ve been reading that Vance considers himself a superstar debater and loves to pick verbal fights. > **[‘He Loves the Sparring’: How JD Vance Plans to ‘Hammer’ Tim Walz During the...](https://www.notus.org/trump-2024/he-loves-the-sparring-jd-vance-debate-hammer-tim-walz)** > > “He loves the sparring because he knows he’s good at it, and it’s a venue for him to show off the intellectual-capacity difference between him and his opponent,” a source close to Vance said. Interesting article. > “The good thing with JD is that he’s done so much media that he’s been hit with oppo and defended himself so much,” the source told NOTUS. “He does multiple interviews a week where he’s being hit with tough questions. JD is fully comfortable answering the attacks on himself and has experience doing it, whereas Walz does not.” ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/31 "2024-10-02T00:39:12Z")
Are they starting late? Never nind, saw the CDT. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/32 "2024-10-02T00:40:01Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Probably because Vance, although evil, hypocritical, totally unethical and self-serving and totally lacking in empathy and an inveterate liar, differs from his orange boss in that he’s not actually stupid, and won’t be as easily manipulated as the Orange Imbecile. As a genuinely good and honest man, Walz has his work cut out for him. and the stakes are very high ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/33 "2024-10-02T00:42:00Z")
I hope Walz comes out like Harris: offering a handshake and a polite greeting to Vance. That won’t throw Vance off, like it did Trump, because Vance will likely be expecting it; but it will establish Walz as the classier of the two. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/34 "2024-10-02T00:52:30Z")
Watching the pregame show on MSNBC right now. I really don’t know what to expect and I wish I did. I know both sides have done their level best to lower expectations. I have a very strong suspicion that Walz is not as bad a debater as he’s trying to get people to believe. As others have said, Vance may have formal debate experience and training, but you cannot fake authenticity. Not easily at least. And Walz has that over Vance in spades. As long as Walz sticks to his talking points, doesn’t get flustered, and allows his natural personality to shine through in contrast to Vance, I think he’ll do just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/35 "2024-10-02T01:00:41Z")
Debate time. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/36 "2024-10-02T01:02:05Z")
The candidates are already at their podiums. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/37 "2024-10-02T01:02:07Z")
And we are off! No walk on they are at the podiums. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/38 "2024-10-02T01:02:19Z")
Dang, we missed the handshake. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/39 "2024-10-02T01:02:43Z")
Well, there was a handshake, though I don’t know who took the initiative. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/walz-vance-debate-follow-along-tue-oct-1-2024-8-00-pm-cdt/1008284/40 "2024-10-02T01:02:56Z")
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