# Wanda Baucus, hypocrite! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 22, 2004, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433 "2004-04-22T14:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/41 "2004-04-23T03:49:55Z")
> [@whistlepig](#): > > Link? > > Link to the Link? Certainly! (This isn’t the Washington Post article from last night which I couldn’t seem to find tonight for some reason, but Google did bring this up. I have to say in my own defense that this is not a site I frequent but it does have quotes from the Washington Post interview.) Anyway, here it is: [http://www.resurrectionsong.com/archives/000815.html](http://www.resurrectionsong.com/archives/000815.html) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/42 "2004-04-23T04:00:24Z")
> [@Gamaliel](#): > > Sigh. > > People have bad days and they can act like an ass. A classics professor I had, a wonderfully kind and brilliant woman who invites dozens of students into her own home and gives them free food, had a bad day at a rental car place that ended in much the same unpleasant way. Did a relative die? Was it medical? Or was she just in a really shitty mood? Who knows, the newspaper didn’t say, and I didn’t ask. But I don’t think what happened that day had any bearing on the validity of her political views, whatever they may be. > > So a pacificst got into a slap fight over some mulch? So what? Yawn. Does this really have anything to do with anything? I wonder, would this be your response if it had been Newt Gingrich’s wife, or Jeb Bush’s, or Tom Delay’s? > [@Gamaliel](#): > > If you have issues about what you perceive to be liberals looking down on you or your views, then write about that and deal with it. But to see something like this and whine “hypocrite!” Whine? I exposed her for the hypocrite she is. I don’t see where anything I’ve said could be accurately described as “whining.” > [@Gamaliel](#): > > well, apparently you’re fond of the phrase “no better than those they condemn”, looks like it applies to you as well. Thank you! This is exactly my point! We’re all the same! Funny that to you that’s an insult. (I think this just goes to further illustrate my observation that liberals do indeed regard themselves as superior.) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/43 "2004-04-23T04:01:51Z")
> [@GMRyujin](#): > > Of course it does. Look, politics is all about covering your ears and screaming the loudest, then bitching no one gets your message. This is all part of the intra-political bitchfight that’s going on that we’re all supposed to be deeply concerned about. Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/44 "2004-04-23T04:30:35Z")
With the exception of her naivete in her assumption that Hussein gave a shit about his people (she’s right that he was into Babylonian history, though), I pretty much agree with all her comments about Iraq, and the parking lot allegations, if true do not detract from the validity of those comments nor do they make her a hypocrite, There’s a gigantic difference between a parking lot scuffle and a fucking MILITARY INVASION, man. The OPs efforts to extropolate anything about liberals or “peaceniks” are specious in the extreme. What the rant amounts to is that a lady who agrees with me about Iraq got into a fight in a parking lot. So fucking what? Is that supposed to prove something about Iraq? About war protesters? About liberals? It’s been mentioned before, but you could grab all kinds of conservative Christians from the news, highlight hypocrisy or even specious hypocrisy, and then say “I love it when Christians say THIS and then do THAT” as if that says anything about Christians. Hell the hypocritical Christian might even be right about something. Let’s say he condemns adultery and then gets caught nailing a hooker. Does that invalidate what he said about adultery? In short, the lady is (mostly) right about Iraq and her parking lot scrap doesn’t change that. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/45 "2004-04-23T04:34:52Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > I love it when high-minded liberals, who are so intent on telling everyone else how to behave and who are so contemptuous of others who don’t share their pacifistic views and moral definition, show that they not only don’t practice what they preach but that their behavior can be much \*worse \* than that of those they so smugly condemn. > > Hypocritical, much? > > This only goes to show a favorite theory of mine which is that we (humans, that is) are all the same, only at different ends of the scale. It does seem however, that angry vehemence is much more in evidence from the left these days than from the right, as is evinced by the likes of Michael Moore, Streisand, Al Franken, et. al., just to name a few of the more well-known examples. They, however, feel their outrage is justified because they are on the side of righteousness…exactly the same way the other side feels about themselves. We do not know that she did any of this. It has only been alleged. And we are not all the same. Some people look forward, some people look backward. Some people want to use peace to achieve their goals, others want to use violence. Certainly there is a difference between using ‘slapping’ violence (if she even did) and employing the violence of an unecessary, expensive war that is endangering not just our soldiers and Marines, but our entire nation. from Starving Artist: > [@](#): > > My post was to indicate that those on the left, which have always something of a “peace and love and tolerance” reputation, are just as capable of the same types of emotional responses as those on the right who they critisize for having the same types of emotional responses Yes. All humans are capable of innapropriate emotional responses. There is, however, a BIG difference between an individual overreacting in a childish and emotional way, and a President and his administration overreacting in a childish, emotional, and also deadly and foolish way. > [@](#): > > and the fact that we are at war in Iraq, and the fact that many of the countries they regard as being more “civilized” and “evolved” than we are are currently contemptuous of us, they are driven to even more indignance and outrage than normal, and their response is anger and condemnation – just like the rest of us troglodytes – rather than their usual avowed and morally elevated position would dictate I think a good case can be made that the nations that decided _against_ joining an unnecessary, unethical war are more civilized and evolved than us. Similarly, nations with universal health care and no death penalty could be justifiably considered more civilized and evolved than us. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/46 "2004-04-23T04:49:55Z")
Some Senator’s wife? Big F deal! George Bush’s _Mom_ shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. No shit, got it from the liberal radio. Mike Moore’s got the gun, you can see it on his website. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/47 "2004-04-23T05:01:59Z")
Criminey! Why do you people keep trying to equate my disdain of her hypocritic behavior with Bush or our actions in Iraq? Oh, wait…I know. It’s a straw man. By doing so you take the focus off of her behavior and focus it on my motives in order to redirect an argument you can’t win on its face. I’m not pitting her because we’re in Iraq and she doesn’t like it, and I’m not pitting her because I think her behavior is worse than war. How stupid! I’m pitting her for being the hypocrite she clearly is! Her being a hypocrite has no relation whatever to what Bush or the U.S. is or is not doing in Iraq or the war on terrorism. Until yesterday she was a smug, superior (insert cool, sophisticated, non small-minded euphemism for “peacenik” here as I unfortunately don’t know of another word as descriptive) and now she’s shown her true colors. I mean, what kind of gall and sense of entitlement would a person have to have to go off on someone like that. I can and often do flare up at buttpipes in traffic and I’ve been known to engage in some quite agressive finger-flipping and so forth when riled, but I would never in a million years behave in such a way toward anyone who hadn’t actually assaulted me physically first, no matter what else was going on in my life. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/48 "2004-04-23T05:09:06Z")
You have failed to demonstrate any hypocrisy. A scrap in a parking lot is in no way analogous to a war and in no way contradicts an anti-war position. I still don’t get what your point is. A lady who is against the war in Iraq is accused of getting in a fight in a parking lot and that proves…what? ---
**Author:** ![Gamaliel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b487fb/32.png) [@Gamaliel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gamaliel)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/49 "2004-04-23T07:40:48Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > I wonder, would this be your response if it had been Newt Gingrich’s wife, or Jeb Bush’s, or Tom Delay’s? Consuela Bush brought a bunch of stuff back to the states without declaring them at customs, avoiding IIRC a couple thou worth of duty fees. My reaction then, as it is now, was a resounding “so what?” As long as appropriate punishments are applied, I don’t particularly care. I don’t know what her politics are and I don’t care; I didn’t vote against Consuela Bush, I voted against her husband. (Twice.) > [@](#): > > Thank you! This is exactly my point! We’re all the same! Funny that to you that’s an insult. (I think this just goes to further illustrate my observation that liberals do indeed regard themselves as superior.) Our choices are: I agree with you, thus you are right. I disagree with you, so I’m a smug liberal meanie, and thus you are right. Nice laybrinth of self-affirmation you’ve constructed there. :rolleyes: Sure, I can be an elitist jackass a lot of the time, so are many other liberals, and so are many conservatives. But to take a couple of liberals “acting superior” because they think your OP is stupid doesn’t mean that you’ve proved that something inherent in liberalism leads to all liberals being smug jackasses. Apparently you’ve got a complex about this, and that’s the real issue here, not some mulch fight. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/50 "2004-04-23T08:04:49Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > **Really Not All That Bright** No problem. Here’s one: > > [http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20040421-1615-brf-senatorswifecharged.html](http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20040421-1615-brf-senatorswifecharged.html) > > I also heard several references to it on various news programs last night, but as tornado warnings and severe hail and thunderstorms were going on here where I live, I was bouncing from one channel to the other and couldn’t tell you what I heard from which one. Thanks… I actually wanted a link to a story on what she _said_, rather than what she did, though. I fully believed the part about the fight at the garden center; the quotes in your OP read as if they’d been… edited, though. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/51 "2004-04-23T08:20:05Z")
> [@Gamaliel](#): > > Consuela Bush brought a bunch of stuff back to the states without declaring them at customs, avoiding IIRC a couple thou worth of duty fees. My reaction then, as it is now, was a resounding “so what?” As long as appropriate punishments are applied, I don’t particularly care. I don’t know what her politics are and I don’t care; I didn’t vote against Consuela Bush, I voted against her husband. (Twice.) What would your response have been had Consuela Bush gone around preaching about the evils of smuggling and then been caught red-handed with her illegal contraband? This would be a much more apt comparison. > [@Gamaliel](#): > > Our choices are: > > I agree with you, thus you are right. > > I disagree with you, so I’m a smug liberal meanie, and thus you are right. > > Nice laybrinth of self-affirmation you’ve constructed there. :rolleyes: Well, when you put it like that, I guess I am pretty damn clever, at that. 😃 > [@Gamaliel](#): > > Sure, I can be an elitist jackass a lot of the time, so are many other liberals, and so are many conservatives. I agree. It’s that smug and condescending superiority seems to be much more prevalent among those on the left. > [@Gamaliel](#): > > But to take a couple of liberals “acting superior” because they think your OP is stupid doesn’t mean that you’ve proved that something inherent in liberalism leads to all liberals being smug jackasses. To quote one of our greatest presidents: “There you go again.” Where did I ever, anywhere in any post I’ve ever made anywhere on this entire message board, imply that \*all \* liberals were smug jackasses? Again with the straw men. Make an inaccurate accusation and you can therefore deflect the true thrust of the argument. This goes on around here all the time, doesn’t it? Every time the going gets tough and I make assertions that my opponents either can’t or don’t want to address, out come the straw men. I’ve seen it time after time. > [@Gamaliel](#): > > Apparently you’ve got a complex about this, and that’s the real issue here, not some mulch fight. Au, contraire! You guys still aren’t getting my point, perhaps because you’re personalizing it. My references to smug, superior liberals have not been aimed at (however, nor do they exclude) any of the posters to this thread. I’ve been talking about the overall attitude of liberals in general who consider themselves superior to the great unwashed masses, troglodytes who they feel need to be guided as to how to be proper, humane, evolved, peaceful and tolerant human beings, when in reality they are no better than those they condescend to. There’s no complex at all. Just annoyance with this smug superiority that is so richly undeserved. And even though I’ve been critisized for bringing this up so often, I will say that I don’t necessarily think one group is superior to the other, that everyone has the same inclination toward discrimination, bias, hatred, anger and even hypocrisy, only at different ends of the spectrum. I’ve seen as much stereotyping, hatred, anger, bias, and discrimination on this board as I’ve ever seen anywhere, but because those who are engaging in it believe they have the moral high ground and that the other side deserves what it gets by virtue of their being selfish, stupid, war-mongering, unenlightened clods. My point is that these people are no better than those they critisize, hence my observation about Wanda Baucus. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/52 "2004-04-23T08:29:07Z")
> [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > Thanks… I actually wanted a link to a story on what she _said_, rather than what she did, though. I fully believed the part about the fight at the garden center; the quotes in your OP read as if they’d been… edited, though. I believe I posted one before. Check the link I provided **Whistlepig**. It’s not a site I frequent, but lacking the one from last night it’s the best I’ve been able to find for now. I couldn’t locate the original from the Washington Post from last night. You might want to try again, though. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/53 "2004-04-23T10:00:06Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > I agree. It’s that smug and condescending superiority seems to be much more prevalent among those on the left. . The smug condescension is matched on the right by open and bittter hostility. And the right does seem to feel vastly superior to the left, if you watch the news, listen to the radio, or read the letters to the editor of your local paper. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/54 "2004-04-23T12:17:26Z")
You’re all missing the key point here. How does putting a bag of mulch behind someone’s car stop them from going anywhere? Even if you’re going around in a Mini-Cooper (not the best mulch transport vehicle), you can drive right over a bag of mulch (the humanity!) without any trouble. This is the wrong time of year to be putting down mulch in the D.C. area. You should wait until the soil dries out a bit more and it’s a little warmer. And what of the problems of excessive mulching and overconsumption of trees? Ms. Baucus has some explaining to do. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/55 "2004-04-23T14:03:35Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > I agree. It’s that smug and condescending superiority seems to be much more prevalent among those on the left. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Where did I ever, anywhere in any post I’ve ever made anywhere on this entire message board, imply that \*all \* liberals were smug jackasses? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I’ve been talking about the overall attitude of liberals in general who consider themselves superior to the great unwashed masses, troglodytes who they feel need to be guided as to how to be proper, humane, evolved, peaceful and tolerant human beings, when in reality they are no better than those they condescend to. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I will say that I don’t necessarily think one group is superior to the other My god, man, do you not see the logical disconnect in your own posts? Talk about hypocrasy! No one here has constructed a strawman, because no one needed to. All of the above quotes from you are from just one post. Let me see if I’ve captured your twisted little attitude correctly: “There is no difference between liberals and conservatives, but liberals are far worse.” “I don’t imply that _all_ liberals were smug jackasses, I’m just talking about liberals in general.” “I will say that I don’t necessarily think one group is superior to the other, but smug and condescending superiority seems to be much more prevalent among those on the left.” Are you so blind that you don’t see the hypocrasy of your own statements? And before you accuse me of constructing a strawman, please note that I’m using your own words here. And all from one post. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/56 "2004-04-23T14:20:54Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Criminey! Why do you people keep trying to equate my disdain of her hypocritic behavior with Bush or our actions in Iraq? Oh, wait…I know. It’s a straw man. By doing so you take the focus off of her behavior and focus it on my motives in order to redirect an argument you can’t win on its face. . Egads. I only read this far before my logic-o-meter blew a fuse. Let’s take this apart bit by bit, shall we? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Why do you people keep trying to equate my disdain of her hypocritic behavior with Bush or our actions in Iraq? Because you did. Read your own damn OP, will you? You go to great lengths to compare her behavior to Iraq, then blame others for doing the same. Then you have the gall to accuse others of hypocrasy. Unbelieveable! > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Oh, wait…I know. It’s a straw man. I think you do not truly understand what that term means. A strawman argument means a false argument constructed because it is easy to knock down. While your arguments are certainly easy to knock down, they are not strawmen – they are your own words. Please don;t use that term simply because you are not getting your own way. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > By doing so you take the focus off of her behavior and focus it on my motives It’s you that took the focus off of her behavior. You then pinned it on all liberals (all the while denying that you did so, and then – amazingly – threw the word “hypocrite” around like it was so much mulch). You took one isolated incident and used it to denigrate an entire group, and then you’re astonished that said group doesn’t agree with you. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > an argument you can’t win on its face. Funny, to me it looks, on its face, like we’ve already won. You just refuse to acknowledge that. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/57 "2004-04-23T14:25:28Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > What would your response have been had Consuela Bush gone around preaching about the evils of smuggling and then been caught red-handed with her illegal contraband? This would be a much more apt comparison. When did the senator’s wife condemn blocking cars with mulch or scrapping in parking lots? You’re comparing apples with watermelons. Condemning a war is not the same as condemning all violence and anyone who opposes the invasion of Iraq is not therby bound to live like Gandhi in her private life. Now if she had lied her way into an illegal military invasion of Java you might have a point. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/58 "2004-04-23T14:48:47Z")
“Hypocrisy is the pretty compliment vice pays to virtue.” - Some dead white guy. For us weak mortals, choosing principles means to choose hypocrisy. Myself, I am opposed to violence in any form. Does that mean I could not be provoked to a point where I would bop somebody on the nose? Evidence would indicate otherwise. As well, if the principles are repugnant, an honest adherence to them is nothing worth admiring. I am largely opposed to projecting military force. Does this mean that if we caught ObL in an emply field somewhere in the Godforsaken Desert, I would be angry if someone dropped a “daisy cutter” on his sorry ass? Well, I would feel obliged, due to my principles, to say “Tut-tut, tsk tsk” while quietly pouring myself a celebratory shot of the Good Stuff. Hypocrisy? Probably. The death of any man diminishes me, unless he’s a total asshole. No man is a peninsula. The fact of hypocrisy does not render choice of principle moot. I hold in higher esteem the man who strives to live up to principles I admire, and scorn the man who successfully embodies principles I disdain. To borrow a phrase from The Master, I am not only in the parade of fools and hypocrites, I am in the front row, carrying a banner. If my principles were not more worthy than I, I wouldn’t need them. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/59 "2004-04-23T15:04:18Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > When did the senator’s wife condemn blocking cars with mulch or scrapping in parking lots? You’re comparing apples with watermelons. You’ve got it all wrong, Doggy Knees. It’s because she got into a scrap while simultaneously condemning an illegal invasion. This does not make her a hypocrite. It makes all liberals hypocrites. OK, not _all_ liberals. Just liberals in general. Who are just as bad as conservatives. Only worse. I think. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433/60 "2004-04-23T16:28:20Z")
I think you got it backwards. Conservatives are just as bad as liberals, only not as much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wanda-baucus-hypocrite/241433.md?page=4)