# WandaVision first 2 episodes and sitcom approach ranting \[for Omni\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [February 10, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607 "2021-02-10T01:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/81 "2021-02-12T02:28:05Z")
Stop taking what I said out of context. Back to the OP. > [@Omniscient](#): > > From my point of view, releasing the first 2 was the worst possible decision. > > For those of us put off by the spoof conceit it was basically a double dose of bad medicine. For which the retort was: > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …that from our point of view we thought dropping only the first two episodes was just fine? I mean, it was divisive, but great things are often divisive? That its okay that it didn’t work for you, but for many of us it worked just fine? To which I said. > [@Omniscient](#): > > Obviously for someone who gobbled up the sitcom charade the release schedule is fine. You were going to be happy no matter what, good for you. Let me spell this out for you. This thread, as defined by @What_Exit, is the place where we complain about not liking the way they released the series. Releasing it the way they did is rough IF YOU DIDN’T LIKE THE FIRST 3 EPISODES. When @Banquet_Bear says he was happy with the release schedule, that’s sort of a “no duh” moment. If you liked the first 3 episodes on their merits, if you adore the old sitcom spoof or whatever, you were going to be happy if they release all three at once or if they released all three over 3 weeks. You liked the individual episodes, you’re coming along for the ride no matter what. Him pointing out that he liked it is simply off topic. I’m not telling him he wrong for liking it. Just emphasizing that it’s neither here nor there for the discussion as framed The fact that you invented some huge offense out of that - which wasn’t even directed at YOU - for like the tenth time is tiresome. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/82 "2021-02-12T02:34:25Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > When @Banquet_Bear says he was happy with the release schedule, that’s sort of a “no duh” moment. If you liked the first 3 episodes on their merits, if you adore the old sitcom spoof or whatever, you were going to be happy if they release all three at once or if they released all three over 3 weeks. You liked the individual episodes, you’re coming along for the ride no matter what. > > **Him pointing out that he liked it is simply off topic.** I’m not telling him he wrong for liking it. Just emphasizing that it’s neither here nor there for the discussion as framed > [@What\_Exit](#): > > **Modhat** : For what it is worth, I made this thread from the mainpart 2 thread to provide a safe place for ranting or fighting over WandaVision and to keep such out of the the main thread. > > So if they want to go at each other and don’t ratchet it up to pit like behavior, let them be. It is basically their thread and anyone that wants to join them. Only fair I think. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/UAeqVGP-GPM/hqdefault.jpg ""Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM) …I really think you are missing the point of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/83 "2021-02-12T02:38:10Z")
Ya’ll realize at this point you aren’t even arguing about the show, you are arguing about arguing about the show. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/84 "2021-02-12T02:39:37Z")
…the irony isn’t lost on me 😅 🤣 😂 ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/85 "2021-02-12T03:09:34Z")
Creative history! So detailed context? This began in another thread, with you ignoring mod instructions and continuing to go on and on about the “spoof conceit” and how you were “bitter about it.” Following my > [@DSeid](#): > > you didn’t like the first episodes. Really we get it. It is a valid take for you to have. Some of us don’t share it. It worked for us. And that’s okay. you posted > [@Omniscient](#): > > What’s your bloody point? and BB followed up with > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …that from our point of view we thought dropping only the first two episodes was just fine? I mean, it was divisive, but great things are often divisive? That its okay that it didn’t work for you, but for many of us it worked just fine? Seems somewhat benign! But you followed with > [@Omniscient](#): > > Obviously for someone who gobbled up the sitcom charade the release schedule is fine. You were going to be happy no matter what, good for you. What purpose are you serving by constantly coming at those who didn’t? Seriously, what’s with this reflex? Which before the thread split, was ignoring mod directions, and was frakin’ odd. _After thread split_ you respond to my > [@DSeid](#): > > The confused speculation has driven the enjoyment of this show, and the first two ep drop point then weekly maximized the “water cooler” enjoyment - for me and I’d WAG by most. It hooked me anyway. With a version of cite please for my being hooked and my wild assed guess. Shoving your selected blogger and podcast reviews as evidence of its being “pretty universally panned” You really seem angry that others enjoyed the first eps. Sourced metrics that show how well the show had been received from the first drop on, growing in viewership steadily, are still not even acknowledged as existing. Again, it hooked me and I enjoyed it for reasons explained. It hooked enough other people to earn those crazy ass metrics. And it bored some. And it made some bitter apparently! Also again, I think the drop tactic is _not just specific to this show_ but a tactic that will be more common going forward (at least on Disney+) for any show that may involve twists and speculations: make the first taste big enough that people will feel invested and then weekly to build buzz and discussions. To recreate watching shows as a communal experience. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/86 "2021-02-12T03:21:27Z")
Funny how in your “context” you overlook the fact that your original post was a unprompted critique of me having a discussion with someone who shared my opinion. You simply cannot contain your reflex to jump in and tell me that I’m somehow trying to silence you. Tip: I’m not. I’m going to continue shitting all over the first few episodes because they fucking sucked. Since my opinion is allowed and valid I’ll trust that you’ll keep to yourself when I do. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/87 "2021-02-12T03:50:38Z")
I’ve had lots of complaints about your posting in these threads, “trying to silence me” has not been one of them. Even though ironically enough in this last post that is what you are requesting! But nah I’m not complaining that you are trusting me to keep to myself. Your trust is misplaced is all! 😀 Viewership (per parrot analytics) apparently increased after the first two ep drop and increased more after the third. Disney is surely hoping that their next shows’ opening eps fucking suck so much! ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/89 "2021-02-12T04:42:57Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Viewership (per parrot analytics) apparently increased after the first two ep drop and increased more after the third. Disney is surely hoping that their next shows’ opening eps fucking suck so much! I loathed them and I’m still watching for reasons already stated. Not once have I said the show is a flop or a failure. I’m ignoring this because it has nothing at all to do with the discussion. You keep bringing in “statistics” to combat an argument no one is having. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/90 "2021-02-12T05:06:44Z")
After some thought, I’ve decided that the best format would be 3 or 4 days between episodes, rather than 7. That’s enough time for a bit of discussion and speculation between episodes, but not so much time without new content as to promote increasingly heated arguments. 😉 Anyway, I’m looking forward to the new episode in a few hours. Hoping everyone enjoys it. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/91 "2021-02-12T20:28:11Z")
I was dicking around on my phone last night in the wee hours and saw a YouTube recommendation for a video discussing today’s episode. The title and the thumbnail both included spoilers, so that kinda sucked. I guess some big stuff happens… ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/92 "2021-02-12T20:33:04Z")
Yeah, I accidentally went into the other thread today, but I bailed out before I got anything spoiled. I guess there are people watching this show the instant it drops at midnight. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/93 "2021-02-12T20:44:25Z")
I’m guessing something big happened, since there are already thirty new comments on the other thread. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/94 "2021-02-12T20:49:59Z")
Yeah, I’ve been either staying up to watch right when the episode releases, or else watching early as possible Friday. People on YouTube and Twitter are posting spoilers everywhere, immediately after the show is posted. I even got spoiled on episode 5 a couple days _before_ it released, by a YouTube thumbnail. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/95 "2021-02-12T20:59:13Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I guess there are people watching this show the instant it drops at midnight. I mean… I didn’t do it for that specific purpose, but around 12:05 I was bored and not read for bed yet, and thought, “Hey, I wonder if the new episode’s out yet…” ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/96 "2021-02-12T22:28:52Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > You keep bringing in “statistics” to combat an argument no one is having. > [@Omniscient](#): > > I can’t see how this simmering dissatisfaction from a big contingent of the viewers over the course of 2 weeks _helped_ the momentum of the show. I know it’s being a data diva, but when the data shows that momentum built after the first two ep drop, and more after the third, minimally the hypothesis that the approach helped the momentum of the show is supported. And the hypothesis that there was a big contingent of viewers with horrible simmering discontent is not supported (albeit not falsified - they could have stuck around just bitter about it). Disney cares about its building stronger viewership as it goes and not losing viewers out of boredom or whatever. Having developed momentum doing this they might be happy. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/97 "2021-02-12T22:45:33Z")
I’m not going to get into the data…Parrot Analytics is not at all considered a reliable source… but it’s besides the point. Bringing it up is a distraction and I think you know that. Let’s keep this simple. Does a significant contingent of Dopers participating in the 3 threads thus far agree with my criticism? To my eye that’s at least in the ballpark of 50%, give or take, but suffice to say it’s not a negligible number. Is there any reason to assume that the people in this thread are not a representative sampling of the the public at large that you are aware of? @Banquet_Bear was hinting at some general dishonesty around online review scores, do you think there’s a reason to think that the people participating here are dishonest? Assuming the answer to those questions are Yes and No respectively, what issue is there with my statement that a “big contingent” are dissatisfied? Or are you continuing your trend of dismissing them as not worth listening to? That your single unverifiable source which shows something, which out of context could mean anything really, fully refutes the argument that _some_ people were alienated? You’re digging in on that position? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/98 "2021-02-12T22:50:30Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Is there any reason to assume that the people in this thread are not a representative sampling of the the public at large that you are aware of? I don’t think the SDMB in general is particularly representative of the public at large. We skew significantly older, whiter, and more male than the general population. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/99 "2021-02-12T22:53:53Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t think the SDMB in general is particularly representative of the public at large. We skew significantly older, whiter, and more male than the general population. Do you propose that it’s so skewed that the critical contingent here are complete outliers? That no where else in the world exist a significant number of vocal critics who are speaking authentically? Who were put off the show? If no, you’re being pedantic and avoiding the point. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/100 "2021-02-12T23:05:39Z")
It’s skewed enough that you can’t look at what’s posted here, and assume that it’s representative of any larger sentiment among viewers of this show. For that matter, I don’t think you can look at what’s posted here, and assume it’s representative of the views of people on the board who watch the show. At best, it’s representative of the views of the people who have posted to this thread, and even then, “I eyeballed it and it looks like maybe half,” isn’t a really rigorous metric. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607/101 "2021-02-12T23:43:00Z")
…well since you decided to tag me back into this thread: > [@Omniscient](#): > > If you think that’s apples-to-apples you’re being flat out dishonest. Don’t accuse me of dishonesty. If you want to do that you should take it to the pit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-first-2-episodes-and-sitcom-approach-ranting-for-omni/932607.md?page=6)