# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/469 "2021-02-12T23:42:17Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Agnes is dressed as a witch. In the comics, Agatha Harkness is a literal witch - as in a descendent of the actual literal magic-wielding witches of Salem. Also, I’m not at all sure she’s a victim. As Vision proceeds outward from Wanda, the people become less animated. The woman hanging a decoration and the man with the pot behind her are just on an endless loop. Further out, no one in the cul-de-sac is moving or responsive _at all_ . Yet even further out, Agnes, while dazed and confused, actually responds when Vision talks to her. I think she was _pretending_ . Even if she wasn’t, she clearly retained more agency than anyone else. There’s Something going on with her. I don’t think Agnes was 100% faking, although she’s definitely not just an innocent bystander in this. I think her sitting at the stop sign, and the non-animated townsfolk, are two separate phenomena (both, of course, stemming from the Hex). The non-animated townsfolk are like that because they’re background characters. Agnes is a central character, so she’s fully animated when she’s part of the narrative, and retains some autonomy when she’s not onscreen. She’s stuck at the stop sign because, like Vision, she’s trying to escape Westview, but something is preventing her from crossing that final street. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/470 "2021-02-12T23:44:14Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t think Agnes was 100% faking, although she’s definitely not just an innocent bystander in this. I think her sitting at the stop sign, and the non-animated townsfolk, are two separate phenomena (both, of course, stemming from the Hex). The non-animated townsfolk are like that because they’re background characters. Agnes is a central character, so she’s fully animated when she’s part of the narrative, and retains some autonomy when she’s not onscreen. She’s stuck at the stop sign because, like Vision, she’s trying to escape Westview, but something is preventing her from crossing that final street. That seems plausible. I’m now agnostic between your reading and my initial reading of that scene. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/471 "2021-02-12T23:48:43Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > And some theories confirmed! but none of my theories dammit!!! 😃🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/472 "2021-02-12T23:57:45Z")
If I’m right about Agnes trying to leave, and something preventing her, it raises the question of why it didn’t apply to Vision. Easy answer is Vision’s super powers make him resistant, or Wanda didn’t think she needed to put that restriction on him. But another possibility is that something other than Wanda is keeping Agnes in Westview. Also: Wanda’s life has been shaped by three tragic loses: Vision’s death, Pietro’s death, and her parents’ death. _WandaVision_ opens with her having reversed Vision’s death. About halfway through, she reverses Pietros. By the end of the series, is she also going to reverse her parents’ death? And as we all know, Wanda Maximoff’s father is none other than… [The Whizzer!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whizzer_(Robert_Frank)) Of course, [The Whizzer has already been introduced](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WhEuCVI5JJY/WvHOl3fLoRI/AAAAAAAAFfo/zGAese2DGAQfSx4vgXKl32IcQlAFZ4Z1ACLcBGAs/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/marvels-jessica-jones.jpeg), and then killed off, in S3 of _Jessica Jones_. Maybe they can go with that Magneto guy instead. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/473 "2021-02-13T00:14:39Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > She’s stuck at the stop sign because, like Vision, she’s trying to escape Westview, but something is preventing her from crossing that final street. …doh!!! I don’t know how I missed this. This means some of my theory remains in play!!! Note that last week when Vision “woke up” Norm Norm didn’t call out Wanda he just said “she.” But here Agnes **did** call out Wanda. Meaningful? Probably not! ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/474 "2021-02-13T01:05:22Z")
We found out that the Director can see inside of the Hex. He’s somehow been able to set up surveillance. Could ‘Pietro’ be a super-powered agent of SWORD. Infiltrates, convinces her he’s her brother, speeds around town setting up the surveillance system? Tries to acquire intel directly? ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/475 "2021-02-13T01:11:30Z")
Yeah, that seems possible. Pietro was certainly asking a lot of questions of Wanda near the end there. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/476 "2021-02-13T01:31:25Z")
Pretty sure the director could see where Vision was and the area around Vision, that to me implied they had some sort of tracking device on Visions corpse, not something Pietro related. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/477 "2021-02-13T01:35:44Z")
I believe Darcy said they were tracking Vibrainium decay. Vision is probably the only source of vibrainium decay. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/478 "2021-02-13T02:33:00Z")
which is kinda what I said a week ago. > [@mikecurtis](#): > > I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Darcy is calling the anomaly [“hex”](https://www.cbr.com/weapon-hex-x-23-and-scarlet-witch/) or that Wanda has twins. It’s a way to bring mutants into the story through the “House of M” storyline. It could be that the snap awakened the mutant genes, in Wanda et al. > Mephisto or Chthon or some combination is lurking in the shadows. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/479 "2021-02-13T03:16:24Z")
I like that the theatre in town was playing “The Incredibles” ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/480 "2021-02-13T03:43:44Z")
All right lets collate some stuff. Hayward. Dude is either just plain ol vanilla Hydra (its in his name after all)…but I think he’s more. I think he’s a sentinel\* with Ultron downloaded to him. \*Or this universes version. With the mission being superheroes and not just mutants. Pietro. Who the \*\*\*\* knows. But he sure seems to be a baddy of sorts, unless he’s just a part of Wandas personality. Why does he have another face? Just plain ol universe boundries breaking down i guess. Who is Monicas friend? I don’t think it will be a huge reveal. Maybe just introducing Blue Marvel to the MCU. The kids. Well this episode blew my theory of them being Nightmare and Mephisto out of the water. They are real. And they are on the up and up. Agnes. I think she was lying to Vision. I think she was in that car waiting on him. I think she is… in league with Nightmare and Mephisto who plan to use the children as vessels. Nightmare will be played by a serious heavy-hitter. One of the few big-wigs who haven’t been in the MCU yet. Who’s the blonde woman? The guy who was Frankenstein? I think those two and Agnes are all witches. Part of 'The Witches Three". So that leaves the question: IS Wanda completely aware of whats going on? Is this all part of her plan? Did she make a deal with the devil to get Vision back and the Mind Stone reformed? edit: And will the series end with Magneto showing up to say, “I’ve come for my daughter” ala Avengers; Dissasembled? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/481 "2021-02-13T03:46:40Z")
I would love to see an X-Files type show with Agent Jimmy Woo and Dr Darcy Lewis in the Mulder and Scully roles. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/482 "2021-02-13T03:51:42Z")
Agreed. Great supporting characters. I think they could carry a show. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/483 "2021-02-13T04:04:31Z")
Well we just did the 90’s so…there goes my theory on that. They went with Malcom in the Middle instead. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/484 "2021-02-13T04:08:01Z")
But he was absolutely willing to let Vision die outside of Westview. Seemed pretty cavalier about losing his only link to the inside if that was his only link. And decaying Vibranium tells you where Vision is, but how are they reading the other residents? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/485 "2021-02-13T04:13:44Z")
I just watched this latest episode. I have nothing to add to your theories, but man I love the show. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/486 "2021-02-13T04:17:28Z")
There are elements of horror in this series, which I did not expect. I dig the tone. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/487 "2021-02-13T04:37:14Z")
As i told my friend tonight, “I wish i could appreciate the Malcolm in the Middle humor, but I’m too busy being freaked out and looking for clues.” ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/488 "2021-02-13T04:40:20Z")
The commercial was just horror in the guise of comedy. I wonder if this how the residence of the outskirts of Westview are feeling? I mean, how are they feeding themselves if they don’t seem to able to act without Wanda controlling them? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=25)