# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/689 "2021-02-19T20:07:44Z")
“Vibranium” and remembrances of Data and Tasha Yar make my poor phrasing too easy of a set up … ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/690 "2021-02-19T20:17:25Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@DSeid](#): > > > > Getting Vision harder for Wanda… > > Phrasing! He does have density control… ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/691 "2021-02-19T20:37:46Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > there’s still two more hour-long episodes This keeps getting mentioned, but it’s never actually been confirmed anywhere as far as I’m aware. Lots of places were claiming that the last 3 episodes would be an hour each, but #7 was the same half-hour length as the others. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/692 "2021-02-19T21:06:14Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Commercial. Wanda is at a Nexus. It’s probably more significant than simply that she’s at a crossroads. There is some deep Marvel lore about “Nexus Beings,” entities whose various multiverse incarnations are essentially the same person in all realities. Wanda is one of them. This is either a big clue about the direction of the next Marvel phase, or it’s just a fun easter egg for the turbonerd fans. Either way, it’s not an accident. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/693 "2021-02-20T00:23:57Z")
Still holding to my suspicion that ‘Pietro’ is a SWORD agent. We never learned what happened to the ‘beekeeper’, did we? ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/694 "2021-02-20T00:36:27Z")
I was SO excited to see not only my Modern Family guess come true but also that it referenced one of my favorite underrated shows: Happy Endings. I just rewatched it over Christmas so I almost couldn’t believe my eyes. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qTdYF2lYKlk/hqdefault.jpg "Happy Endings (Opening / Intro / Abertura)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTdYF2lYKlk) I think we’re done with sitcom framing devices. MF just ended last year, so we’re caught up to now. If they continue with tv show framing devices, I think we’re going to genre shift. My kid suggested it’d be Stranger Things and I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/695 "2021-02-20T00:58:56Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Also, do NJ houses usually have storm cellars like that? I think of those as midwestern things? When I lived in central NY, the house I lived in was _exactly_ like that, with the doors opening into stairs leading right into the basement. Kind of a requirement so that the house doesn’t shift during a freeze-thaw cycle. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/696 "2021-02-20T01:18:12Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I really do think that delivery guy is there for no good reason too often. He’s not just another townie. **Sr. Weasel** noted that every box he was hauling was marked FRAGILE. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/697 "2021-02-20T01:21:06Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > “Vibranium” and remembrances of Data and Tasha Yar make my poor phrasing too easy of a set up … Vibranium vibrator - awesome weapon, the ultimate “marriage device,” or cool made up [band name](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/revenge-of-made-up-band-names-a-z/923851/1366)? > [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > I was SO excited to see not only my Modern Family guess come true but also that it referenced one of my favorite underrated shows: Happy Endings. I missed the Happy Endings reference. And I loved Happy Endings – Max turning into a bear in the winter is one of the greatest, funniest sitcom things ever. Speculation on my part. Agatha is working to free herself from her own obligations to Mephisto. She’s not the ultimate big bad and she’s reluctantly doing his bidding. I think it’s a solid idea but we’ll see if having Marvel’s equivalent of Satan on the show will work. Dormamu was on Dr. Strange, of course, and they are all “extradimensional beings” so it could work. ---
**Author:** ![jadielyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jadielyn/32/8808_2.png) [@jadielyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jadielyn)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/698 "2021-02-20T01:52:25Z")
Detail: the full-screen aspect ratio during the “sitcom reality” (?) stayed in effect when Wanda first entered Agnes/Agatha’s basement, then shrank to the 16:9 “outside-Westview” ratio when she passed though the underground hallway lined with tree roots. So, part of Agatha’s basement is outside the Hex influence. I wonder if Vision tries to enter it while trying to rescue Wanda if he’ll fall apart to his SWORD-dissassembled form; since there’s no Hex energy-boundary to try and rip him back inside. A simple “alive inside/dead outside” transition. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/699 "2021-02-20T01:56:14Z")
> [@Neo-Calredic](#): > > My money is still on Blackheart. I think that heart on the calendar their first day “in town” — which neither Wanda nor Vision remembered drawing there — was a low-key signature from the one behind the whole thing, hidden in plain sight. Blackheart has similar powers to Mephisto, but conveniently avoids real-world religious entanglements that Disney might want to steer clear of. I could totally see them avoiding the character whose name can apply to the devil figure some people actually still believe in IRL in favor of a similar one that’s a layer removed from real-world mythology. Ooh - I didn’t think about him. Mephisto proper is likely off the table (gotta sell to China), but Blackheart would make a good Mephisto proxy. And we have seen two black hearts on calendars so far. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/700 "2021-02-20T02:21:35Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > And we have seen two black hearts on calendars so far. Red today. And in black and white unclear what it was the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/701 "2021-02-20T02:50:14Z")
I claim credit on foreseeing the glitches! ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/702 "2021-02-20T03:07:43Z")
I had completely forgotten about Happy Endings. There are no children in Happy Endings. (No literal children at least.) But it does have related characters, marriages, and “found families.” On the one hand, we may be done with sitcom framing. On the other - the one trend that they could tap into is the memoir-style shows set in the past (Goldbergs, Young Sheldon, Fresh of the Boat, Mixed-ish, I’m sure there are others - Wonder Years did this in the 90s, but it feels like there have been a lot in the past few years) where you have some narrator talking about the way things were back when they were children. If there is another frame, that’s my bet. With Billy &/or Tommy narrating. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/703 "2021-02-20T03:19:55Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > It’s probably more significant than simply that she’s at a crossroads. There is some deep Marvel lore about “Nexus Beings,” entities whose various multiverse incarnations are essentially the same person in all realities. Wanda is one of them. > > This is either a big clue about the direction of the next Marvel phase, or it’s just a fun easter egg for the turbonerd fans. Either way, it’s not an accident. The NEXUS was also a plot point in Age of Ultron. It’s the “hub of the internet” that Jarvis went to after being nearly destroyed by Ultron. I can’t imagine it’s just a coincidence they’re reusing that word. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/704 "2021-02-20T04:02:54Z")
Well “nexus” does sound fancier than “intersection” or “crossroad” sound. And I am sure that they are very aware that the word triggers all sorts of inferences … getting the deep fans distracted down different rabbit holes. I just think the meaning is still its plain one, sticking to the theme that the commercials have been her traumatic events leading to now. (Skipping only Vision’s deaths, once by her, once witnessed by her.) And she is at a crossroads, an intersection, a nexus, having to decide if the specific side effect risks are worth taking. Reality is a bitter pill to swallow. I’ll WAG next week’s commercial deals with Vision dying. As she chooses to actually deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/705 "2021-02-20T04:23:30Z")
On the other hand, they felt the need to specifically recap Vision’s creation and the fact that he was once Jarvis. Kind of an odd thing the bring up unless they were specifically reminding the audience about it. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/706 "2021-02-20T05:07:34Z")
I think Vision is not going to die at the end, they will find a way to keep him around, and he needs his backstory to plausibly recover his memories, or simulate thereof. He’s also probably smart enough to know how to bring himself back online. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/707 "2021-02-20T05:24:08Z")
My theory is that Agatha is just a role Wanda created for Agnes to take credit for all the mischief and pain Wanda herself is (perhaps unconsciously) causing. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/709 "2021-02-20T06:46:36Z")
Also…apparently Monicas astrophysicist friend is…nobody. And…Evil Kathryn Hahn?mmmmmm [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=36)