# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/710 "2021-02-20T12:10:23Z")
It’s a small point, but Dr. Kat knows a LOT about the Avengers and what all happened vs. Thanos. How does she know all that stuff? ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/711 "2021-02-20T13:23:10Z")
At a meta-level, she’s providing diegetic exposition for the audience. In-universe, the MCU movies seem to take place roughly in real time, and a _lot_ of stuff is clearly happening off-screen in-between movies. For example, in _Thor: Ragnarok_, a couple of random people on the street ask Thor about Jane Foster; apparently, their relationship is public knowledge, and they broke up in between movies. Darcy is buddies with Thor; she may well know, through him, other Avengers. She may have been told first hand accounts of events from Thor or other Avengers. But also, as someone pointed out upthread when I questioned how much Director Hayward would actually know about events in _End Game_, Jimmy Woo also seemed to know details, and characters discussed the events of the final battle of _End Game_ as if it were all common knowledge. Which actually makes sense. There were hundreds if not thousands of on-the-ground witnesses (including the Wakandan military) to the events. For literally world-shaking events like that, there would have had to have been in-universe a deluge of news specials, documentaries, investigative reports, government briefings, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/712 "2021-02-20T13:58:42Z")
Yeah, I got that vibe too. Agnes may be more involved than other Westvillites - but Wanda is still directing much of the action. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/713 "2021-02-20T14:04:15Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Darcy is buddies with Thor; she may well know, through him, other Avengers. She may have been told first hand accounts of events from Thor or other Avengers. I think one of the first things that would have happened right after the snap and the blip would be one of the Avengers coming out and explaining absolutely everything that happened to the last detail in a press conference. Not only would people expect a full accounting of what happened they would understand that it would be the best way to prevent even more chaos. I’m sure every last detail of the Infinity War and Endgame battles are pretty well known at this point, hell I wouldn’t be surprised if Tony or Warmachine had recordings of the whole thing in their suits. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/714 "2021-02-20T15:00:00Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > At a meta-level, she’s providing diegetic exposition for the audience. So why? Why is it particularly important at this specific point to highlight the parts of the past story to newer viewers? Or to give Vision knowledge of it? These parts. Vision’s personality was Jarvis. His body was originally built for Ultron. Wanda killed him to save half the universe. Then time wound back and she had to watch him be killed, powerless. Their love is real. These things are clearly important for the final two ep concluding reveals/finale. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/715 "2021-02-20T15:00:12Z")
There’s a fantastic graphic novel called MARVELS that’s all about what it would be like as an ordinary person in the world of superheroes. One of the greatest things Marvel has ever published. And yeah, there’s lots of news coverage as the general public is interested in these people as celebrities as well as frightened of them as potentially dangerous gods. Highly recommended for anyone in the thread with an interest in the genre. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/716 "2021-02-20T16:14:39Z")
And MARVELS is beautifully painted. I assume by Alex Ross; looks like his work. Do read it, it captures the adrenaline you’d feel if you saw real superheroes at work around you…and the fear. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/717 "2021-02-20T17:21:15Z")
Yes, this sounds more likely to me than Thor filling her in or eyewitnesses (though I’m sure higher-ups would have wanted it all classified). It certainly makes Heyward’s paranoia much more relatable about the massive power she’s throwing around here. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/718 "2021-02-20T17:56:21Z")
I suspect that the reason Vision cant remember is because while he has A mind stone…its not his old one. Its one from a different reality. I also suspect Wanda will destroy it again. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/719 "2021-02-20T17:57:28Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > For literally world-shaking events like that, there would have had to have been in-universe a deluge of news specials, documentaries, investigative reports, government briefings, etc. In Spider-Man we see that there’s a Thanos documentary when he’s looking at movies on the airplane. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/720 "2021-02-20T18:15:15Z")
You think _we_ dissect the MCU endlessly? Imagine living it. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/721 "2021-02-20T18:26:30Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Imagine living it. Just my luck I’d be living next to deniers: “Nope, it’s all wires and trick photography, I seen a article. Y’ever SEEN Iron Man take off? No, you have NOT. Ya seen him jump out of frame, and then you seen him flyin’ overhead, something any drone in a Stark robot suit could do. An’ a friend of a friend saw the bottom of one of his boots… and it said… ©DISNEY ENTERTAINMENT. Boom, 'nuff said.” ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/722 "2021-02-20T18:36:14Z")
MARVELS would make a fantastic anthology TV series. Start each show with some key comic book panels to set the scene and then go to a live action story of reporters, city officials, first responders, and other muggles dealing with the event. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/723 "2021-02-20T18:38:52Z")
Gary Oldman as Phil Sheldon!! ---
**Author:** ![Retzbu\_Tox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/retzbu_tox/32/11829_2.png) [@Retzbu\_Tox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Retzbu_Tox)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/724 "2021-02-20T18:52:10Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Also, do NJ houses usually have storm cellars like that? I think of those as midwestern things? Big old houses in places with cold winters very frequently had a coal-fueled furnace in the cellar, with coal chutes for deliveries and/or outside stairwells so you wouldn’t track coal dust through the house. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/725 "2021-02-20T19:42:39Z")
Trivia/joke: Name the one Marvel character it would be illegal\* to gender swap. \*Again…its a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/726 "2021-02-20T20:51:53Z")
Any thoughts on why the Sugar Snaps cereal is manufactured by “Sweeney’s”? There’s a Sweeney Boo who pens kids’ versions of Marvel characters…and there’s a Max Sweeney who does “Digital Asset Management” for the show. Maybe a throwaway reference to the former, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/727 "2021-02-20T21:45:03Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Just my luck I’d be living next to deniers: “Nope, it’s all wires and trick photography, I seen a article. Y’ever SEEN Iron Man take off? No, you have NOT. Ya seen him jump out of frame, and then you seen him flyin’ overhead, something any drone in a Stark robot suit could do. An’ a friend of a friend saw the bottom of one of his boots… and it said… ©DISNEY ENTERTAINMENT. Boom, 'nuff said.” Well, in fact, that is actually the plot for _Spider-Man: Far from Home_ ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/728 "2021-02-20T21:52:37Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Any thoughts on why the Sugar Snaps cereal is manufactured by “Sweeney’s”? There’s a Sweeney Boo who pens kids’ versions of Marvel characters…and there’s a Max Sweeney who does “Digital Asset Management” for the show. Maybe a throwaway reference to the former, I guess. I’m not aware of any creator or in-universe character named “Sweeney”. At a stretch (and it would be a Mr. Fantastic-level stretch), it _might_ be some sort of reference to Sweeney Todd, and the way Wanda is metaphorically eating the lives of the residents of Westview to fuel her fantasy. But my guess would be an in-joke by/for the production staff, referring to Max Sweeney. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/729 "2021-02-20T23:33:49Z")
Apologies if any of the following has been covered (in depth) on this thread: 1. The boxes the delivery man is moving all say “Fragile”. Does that refer to Wanda’s mental state? Or something else of note? 2. How is Vision “un-whammying” and “re-whammying” people? With the (I thought) non-existent Mind Stone? (Could he do things like this before?) Wonder if Monica could do it now? 3. (My husband noticed this one.) Monica didn’t just land unharmed from Wanda’s blast. She landed in a “hero’s stance”, like Iron Man. 4. So Agatha is the “Wicked Witch of the Westview”, huh? 5. Maybe the rabbit is Pietro? (as in “Peter Rabbit”?) (Yes, I know he’s Senor Scratchy, which refers to Nicholas Scratch, Agatha’s son in the comics.) But have we seen the rabbit and Pietro at the same time? 6. Billy and Tommy didn’t just go with Ag(nes at the time). Their mother told them too. Is this along the lines of inviting a vampire indoors? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=37)