# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/770 "2021-02-22T14:34:07Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Plus, I don’t want Agnes/Agatha to be the Big Bad because Marvel main villains are almost uniformly terrible. Eh, I would agree with you just based on the first half of the MCU, but there’s been some great villains lately. Thanos, Killmonger, Vulture, Zemo, etc. And I think the big problem with a lot of villains is that they’ve been one and done. The aforementioned Loki has been great because he keeps coming back so he gets more character development. The shift to TV might change that, where villains get to come back. Zemo’s already going to come back for Falcon and Winter Soldier. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/771 "2021-02-22T14:59:02Z")
Disappointed about Pietro. If he’s not going to be the “real” Quicksilver, I wish they didn’t use Evan Peters at all (he was a bright spot in the Xmen to me). It just makes no sense to use him if there is no multiverse explanation, except to explicitly screw with the audience. Is the real world (the one we’re in), part of the multiverse, where the Xmen are fiction and she just grabbed the actor from that one? Is he literally Evan Peters? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/772 "2021-02-22T15:17:52Z")
Heh. That reminds me of a bit from the “Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret”: an incredibly rich fellow has a butler played by Jon Hamm - but it turns out that the butler really is Jon Hamm; the rich fellow is just that rich. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/773 "2021-02-22T15:41:31Z")
Same thing in “Billionaire Boy”, except the butler was Warwick Davis. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/774 "2021-02-22T15:44:31Z")
It’ll definitely be disappointing if there’s nothing to the fact that he’s the X Quicksilver, but I still think there will be. In the Agatha reveal, it showed that she was magicking him when he knocked on Wanda’s door, but maybe he’ll be freed of her control. Maybe he is _already_, from when Wanda zapped him last episode. Also, I know we can’t necessarily trust what we see inside the hex, but he _does_ have super speed, right? Although, I guess they’ve shown Vision with speed too, which I don’t think is a power he has normally. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/775 "2021-02-22T16:37:48Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > In the Agatha reveal, That reveal was as presented by Agatha for the sitcom audience. Possibly unreliable. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/776 "2021-02-22T16:58:35Z")
Sure, it definitely may turn out that what was shown in the Agatha reveal was false. But my read of it was that it was giving us a true reveal of what had happened, to explain the conversation with Herb in episode 3, for example. My guess is that what we saw in the reveal is true, but there’s no way to be sure yet. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/777 "2021-02-22T17:20:33Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > to explain the conversation with Herb in episode 3 So go back and play that scene again. Does what was presented in the Agatha reveal fit with what was in that scene? Explain it? To my viewing it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/778 "2021-02-22T18:55:37Z")
Another great episode. Many people have mentioned they got a “Modern Family” and perhaps a bit of “The Office” vibe from this episode. Was I the only one who got a “Arrested Development” vibe? Specifically when the scene cut to Darcy and Vision driving the van. It was an exterior shot of the van and they played a few bars of upbeat music. Totally reminded me of something you’d see on Arrested Development (probably a scene with Michael and George-Michael driving the stair car. Which it [the stair car] had a cameo in “Avengers: Civil War”). MtM ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/779 "2021-02-22T19:11:18Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > So go back and play that scene again. Does what was presented in the Agatha reveal fit with what was in that scene? Explain it? > > To my viewing it doesn’t. I don’t see anything that would make me think someone else was affecting Herb. She obviously wanted him acting weird for two reasons: 1) Get Vision to question the nature of Westview, 2) Get rid of Monica (which Wanda ended up doing for her). While I’m not saying Agatha isn’t working with someone else or even working for someone else, I think people expecting yet another character to be behind everything else will be disappointed. You don’t reveal “It was Agatha All Along” at the end of episode 7 of 9 just to reveal, “Actually, It Was Someone Else All Along” two episodes later. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/780 "2021-02-22T19:16:29Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > She also landed with a bunch of glowy blue energy around her body, and her eyes were glowing. That could be just about anything, though. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/781 "2021-02-22T19:25:49Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > That could be just about anything, though. Not really. In the prior episode, Darcy mentioned to her that going through the Hex twice rewrote her cells on the molecular level. The precap on this most recent episode made a point of showing that scene again. Prior to Monica going into the Hex, we were shown a truck being completely recreated. Monica going through the Hex wall showed her struggling to not be rewritten again into multiple versions of herself. Great effort was made to show us directly that SOMETHING happened to her. So you’re suggesting that Monica landing in a typical hero pose is a subtle clue to us that she’s become a hero, but the giant blue energy waves around her and the blue glow of her eyes was just a trick of the lights or something? Okay… ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/782 "2021-02-22T22:01:17Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > Was I the only one who got a “Arrested Development” vibe? Specifically when the scene cut to Darcy and Vision driving the van. It was an exterior shot of the van and they played a few bars of upbeat music. Totally reminded me of something you’d see on Arrested Development (probably a scene with Michael and George-Michael driving the stair car. Which it [the stair car] had a cameo in “Avengers: Civil War”). Yep, I did too. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/783 "2021-02-22T22:58:13Z")
Additionally, when Monica emerged from the Hex wall, while her eyes were still all aglow, she was seeing spectrums of raw energy along the power wires. Seeing and controlling various forms of energy (indeed transforming herself into energy) are Monica’s classic comic book powers. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/784 "2021-02-22T23:09:55Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > Disappointed about Pietro. If he’s not going to be the “real” Quicksilver, I wish they didn’t use Evan Peters at all (he was a bright spot in the Xmen to me). It just makes no sense to use him if there is no multiverse explanation, except to explicitly screw with the audience. Is the real world (the one we’re in), part of the multiverse, where the Xmen are fiction and she just grabbed the actor from that one? Is he literally Evan Peters? …I’m not overly invested in the “Fox Quicksilver.” I couldn’t bring myself to watch any of the X-men movies after the Last Stand after what they did to Cyclops and Jean Grey. (And the behind the scenes stuff didn’t help either.) The only thing I’ve seen of the Peters Quicksilver are the clips of him in action on youtube, which are **undeniably awesome.** But I really like the Wandavision Quicksilver, whomever or whatever he turns out to be. I hope he sticks around somehow as the **Wandavision Quicksilver** , distinct from both the Marvel and the Fox version. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/785 "2021-02-22T23:10:00Z")
I think hear the sound of a superhero flying past - whoosh! > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I don’t see anything that would make me think someone else was affecting Herb. I’m keyed in to how Agatha was acting when facing away from Vision to Herb. And that Herb was odd before Agatha was there. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/786 "2021-02-22T23:31:25Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > And that Herb was odd before Agatha was there. I’m assuming the scene we saw with Agatha affecting Herb was before the scene we saw of Herb acting weird. ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/787 "2021-02-22T23:36:16Z")
Maybe Herb is Agnes/Agatha’s Igor. Or is it Renfield? Certainly her familiar is Senor Scratchy, the name a reference to the Devil, but it’s certainly a clever-yet-unmentioned (unmentioned that I know of) wink, that a magician would have a rabbit (to pull out of her hat or to summon the Dark Forces for their Hellish Crusade). So, one could say it was telegraphed early on as to Agne’s magic-wielding nature. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/788 "2021-02-22T23:39:09Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > Certainly her familiar is Senor Scratchy, the name a reference to the Devil… Yes, but also, in the comics Agatha Harkness also has a son named Nicholas Scratch. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/789 "2021-02-22T23:41:45Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I couldn’t bring myself to watch any of the X-men movies after the Last Stand after what they did to Cyclops and Jean Grey. One of the really nice things about _Days of Future Past_ is that it explicitly writes _Last Stand_ out of continuity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=40)