# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/830 "2021-02-24T04:01:49Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > If anything, she got the shaft in her original origin story, This is correcting a mistake, from my point of view. FWIW speaking as a n of one who is a newer fan - most origin stories are trite boring forwards before the actual show begins. Radioactive spider, planet Krypton, tanning bed accident, not too many entertaining in their own right. Just needed to get to person with powers. Complaining that an origin story doesn’t make sense is like complaining that a lemon is sour. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/831 "2021-02-24T04:08:44Z")
Quite. Batman’s original origin story was three frames long: He was annoyed, he saw a bat fly through his window, he became Batman. Somehow that’s been expanded to multiple movie, TV, and comic book revisionist versions, ongoing! Also most origin story movies are the worst instalment of any given superhero-trilogy. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/832 "2021-02-24T04:13:34Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > There’s no reason in-universe not to believe that multiple passes is the difference between “upset stomach” and “superpowers.” > > And, in the third place, isn’t Monica’s origin being derivative of Carol’s in the original comics canon bad enough? I’m not saying the rules prohibit it. I’m saying it’s fucking lame. Originality would be ideal, but something being a little repetitive but at least significant enough to not read like a lottery ticket is better. > [@Smapti](#): > > Not only has Monica been through the barrier three times, she also got erased and un-erased as the result of the Infinity War. So has half the population. > [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > If anything, she got the shaft in her original origin story, This is correcting a mistake, from my point of view. By original do you mean Captain Marvel? Her being a child who has a relationship with an Avenger is not an origin story. That movie did not attempt to do Spectrum’s origin. it did Carol’s. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/833 "2021-02-24T15:21:40Z")
I think it’s clear that Monica got her powers not just from passing through the hex, but from actively pushing through the hex when it was trying to repel everything else. Also, the hex is an extension of Wanda’s powers which are itself from the Mind Stone. And we know that HYDRA tried to give a bunch of people powers using the stone but it only worked on the Maximoffs. It’s a pretty common comic trope that the events that give people their powers only work on certain people. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/834 "2021-02-24T15:31:15Z")
Having never heard of this particular superhero before the series, I thought it was a perfectly decent origin story. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/835 "2021-02-24T15:36:04Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Also most origin story movies are the worst instalment of any given superhero-trilogy. And yet, that’s all they ever seem to make. Everytime they cast a new actor, get a new director, they need to start with an origin story. I swear half the Superman and Spiderman movies are origin stories. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/836 "2021-02-24T15:44:06Z")
MCU Spiderman skipped over most of the origin story. First showed up in Civil War with his powers, then in his own title, was much more of a development and growth, rather than origin. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/837 "2021-02-24T15:58:58Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > Scientists have been trying for decades to figure out who gets superpowers when exposed to massive amounts of weird radiation, versus who just gets cancer and dies a horrible death. It’s one of the great scientific mysteries of our time. My wife was like, “That much radiation is gonna give her cancer,” and I said, “Comic book radiation doesn’t give cancer, it gives superpowers. You get cancer from plot, not from radiation.” But I’m kind of a noob at comic books. Are there many examples in comic books of people exposed to radiation getting cancer instead of superpowers? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/838 "2021-02-24T16:04:02Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Are there many examples in comic books of people exposed to radiation getting cancer instead of superpowers? In an alternate universe story, Mary Jane dies of cancer from exposure to Peter Parker’s radioactive, uh, “deposits”. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/839 "2021-02-24T16:08:24Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > By original do you mean Captain Marvel? I believe they’re talking about Monica’s origin story. “The original origin story” being the one from the comics, and “this” being the new origin story for the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/840 "2021-02-24T16:10:23Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Are there many examples in comic books of people exposed to radiation getting cancer instead of superpowers? Jane Foster (Thor’s former girlfriend, who has been played by Natalie Portman in the MCU films) had breast cancer in the comics, though, if I remember correctly, it ran in her family, and there wasn’t any intimation that any sort of radiation exposure caused it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/841 "2021-02-24T16:20:37Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > But I’m kind of a noob at comic books. Are there many examples in comic books of people exposed to radiation getting cancer instead of superpowers? It’s a plot point in _Watchmen_ (the original comic and, to a lesser extent, the film). Also (less seriously) in one episode of _Family Guy_ the Griffins all gain superpowers due to exposure to toxic waste and go on a rampage. Mayor West, determined to gain powers to stop them, rolls in the same toxic waste…and gets cancer. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/842 "2021-02-24T16:28:52Z")
There was also the guy that tried to get Spider-Man’s powers by _eating_ the radioactive spider. [It did not go well for him.](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Carl_King_(Earth-616)) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/843 "2021-02-24T16:29:36Z")
Bringing things a little closer to the show, the original Captain Marvel also died of cancer - lung cancer, caused by inhaling poison gases during a mission. Although not directly caused by his powers, the interaction of his powers and the cancer made it impossible to treat. Similarly, when Jane Foster was Thor, using Mjolnir to transform into Thor had the side-effect of removing all poisons and toxins from her body - which included the chemo drugs she was using to fight her cancer. The more time she spent as Thor, the more the cancer advanced. There’s also Reality-10011, which is also known as the [Cancerverse](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lovecraft/images/6/64/Cancerverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20190728215244). ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/844 "2021-02-24T16:38:22Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > And yet, that’s all they ever seem to make. Everytime they cast a new actor, get a new director, they need to start with an origin story. I swear half the Superman and Spiderman movies are origin stories. I love origin story movies. In my experience the first movie is almost always the best of any series on a given character. They tend to focus on character development more than just explosions and CGI. Your criticism about Superman and Spider-Man I think has more to do with all the pointless remakes and reboots, not with origin stories. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/845 "2021-02-24T16:41:35Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > I believe they’re talking about Monica’s origin story. “The original origin story” being the one from the comics, and “this” being the new origin story for the MCU. Having not read the comic, is her comics origin story particularly lame? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/846 "2021-02-24T16:43:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > > > But I’m kind of a noob at comic books. Are there many examples in comic books of people exposed to radiation getting cancer instead of superpowers? > > It’s a plot point in _Watchmen_ (the original comic and, to a lesser extent, the film). And in Watchmen it was a lie (the cancer actually came from a plot, not from radiation). ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/847 "2021-02-24T16:44:48Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Your criticism about Superman and Spider-Man I think has more to do with all the pointless remakes and reboots, not with origin stories. That’s true. My complaint is, they only have so much time for the story, and they waste so much telling stuff everybody in the word (I bet even isolated Amazon rain forest dwellers and New Guinea Dani know Superman’s origin story by now) already knows. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/848 "2021-02-24T16:44:56Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > And in Watchmen it was a lie (the cancer actually came from a plot, not from radiation). Well, it came from _different_ radiation. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/849 "2021-02-24T16:53:34Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > My complaint is, Too late to edit… My second complaint about repretitive origin stories is when they change them. Were Batman’s parents killed by some never-identified random killer, by Joe Chill, by the Joker himself, by Ra’s al Ghul…etc. Was it random, or were they targeted? Then the purists get distracted hating the movie and nitpicking it instead of enjoying it. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=43)