# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/950 "2021-02-27T02:05:36Z")
Or is it? It doesn’t rule out that the twins’ had different biological parents that they never knew about, ones who gave powers and placed them in human hands as adoptive parents. The commercials could be them with her having nexus access to the information. I doubt it but it does explain Pietro having also survived the stone without invoking a subconscious Wanda invocation. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/951 "2021-02-27T02:22:16Z")
> [@Mikemike2](#): > > Wanda already killed many (hundreds?) of innocent people when she redirected a bomb into an office building, but she is still a good guy. She didn’t “redirect it into an office building” on purpose; she was struggling to get it out of the market _while it was actually exploding_ and couldn’t fully control it. > [@DSeid](#): > > Maybe I’m over reading but to me the motivation is as in her first scene. She wants to know how she does it so she can do it too. Not to shut her down. That was my take too. She clearly wants to know how Wanda does it. > [@simster](#): > > THe movie theatre marquee changed when she first expanded the hex over the town to “The Big Red”. “[Big Red](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Red_(film))” and “Kidnapper” (which doesn’t appear to be a real film). Rather appropriate. And just before that there was a billboard with the word “Snap” on it. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/952 "2021-02-27T03:07:29Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Another theory shot down is that the two characters in all the commercials were not Wanda and Pietro’s parents. I actually checked - different actresses. (the actors are more obviously different people). ---
**Author:** ![Retzbu\_Tox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/retzbu_tox/32/11829_2.png) [@Retzbu\_Tox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Retzbu_Tox)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/953 "2021-02-27T03:30:14Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > So maybe they had been working on it for five years, but how did they know Wanda would ever come back to jumpstart it? I think Director Hayward said something about having previously tried numerous power sources unsuccessfully. > [@DigitalC](#): > > I don’t think they planned on it, she just happened to show up one day so why not give it a shot? It wouldn’t surprise me if Hayward deliberately set up a “leak” for Wanda to learn the location of Vision’s body. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/954 "2021-02-27T03:58:19Z")
By the way…jumpstart ‘it’?? That may not be Vision and may be Ultron. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/955 "2021-02-27T04:22:13Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > By the way…jumpstart ‘it’?? IIRC, Hayward referred to Vision as “it” at least once during his conversation with Wanda earlier in the episode. He views Vision as a weapon and an asset, not as a person. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/956 "2021-02-27T04:35:35Z")
The fact that Real real real magic exists (and i know we saw that in Doc Strange)…really does a disservice to MCU Loki who has been depowered to, an illusionist with access to a pocket dimension (?) Also: It looks like, no mutants, no multiverse X-Men, no Mephisto, no Nightmare? On the one hand, GOOD.\* It was all too much. But I still think Hayward is more then he lets on because he was asking earlier if Wanda calls herself something else, does she have an alias…like he has more info then he should. I don’t think theres a Bigger Bad behind things, but I wouldnt be surprised if Ralph is someone of note. Or a Bad shows up for Agatha when she loses next ep. I’m fine with the entire thing being Wanda, and Agatha sensed it and came along to see what was up. Keeps things simple. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/957 "2021-02-27T05:07:23Z")
I’ll be surprised if Ultron does not possess the Vision body and more surprised if when he does he’s not removed as a threat very quickly. I’m now convinced that the horned woman Wanda was shown as seeing is a version of herself and very much expecting a future movie to revisit this future or other dimension Wanda appearance from that end of the perspective. Though I would still be happy with it being an elder god. Monica clearly is part of saving the day but I’m not coming up with very good guesses how. Darcy and Jimmy have to have roles too. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/958 "2021-02-27T05:17:13Z")
Do they intend to carry this show past the first season? I’ve heard a lot of talk for it to be a set up for other films - would these films function as an interlude, or run concurrently? Or is WandaVision just a one-off? I really liked tonight’s episode. I thought the acting was great. My interest in the show had been flagging because the story beats were getting repetitive (external force encroaches on Wanda’s hex reality, Wanda ejects the thing, goes further into denial.) It feels like the story opened up. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/959 "2021-02-27T05:25:12Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Do they intend to carry this show past the first season? I’ve heard a lot of talk for it to be a set up for other films - would these films function as an interlude, or run concurrently? Or is WandaVision just a one-off? Marvel’s said that some of the new TV shows are going to be ongoing, and some are single season, but they haven’t specified which is which. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/960 "2021-02-27T05:39:01Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Monica clearly is part of saving the day but I’m not coming up with very good guesses how. Darcy and Jimmy have to have roles too. Vision is still on his way home, isn’t he? I was thinking that, although revealed to be wholly imaginary, he and Wanda would somehow unite to fight Agatha and reaffirm the power of love. Or somesuch. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/961 "2021-02-27T05:48:06Z")
Seems like there’s going to be a Vision v. Vision showdown. Maybe that gives a mechanism for Vision to exist outside the hex - Wanda’s Vision is his soul & personality, and White Vision is his functional body, so combined they are everything. Maybe Monica’s new powers could help with doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/962 "2021-02-27T07:52:29Z")
…did everyone notice the video edit during the scene with the scepter? It was like the edits in earlier episodes. Is someone else (maybe the figure that looked like the Scarlet Witch) controlling the narrative? ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/963 "2021-02-27T11:15:58Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Is someone else (maybe the figure that looked like the Scarlet Witch) controlling the narrative? I’m not sure what scene you refer to, but I’ve had a similar thought based on the way that Agatha’s capture and reveal of her scheme to Wanda seemed almost deliberately trope-y: the villain has the hero in their grasp, and proceeds to deliver some lengthy exposition. I briefly thought that this might indicate that Agatha’s not as free of the whole TV-reality construct as she might think she is—the whole thing felt a lot like 90s/00s-era ‘supernatural’ TV shows, like Charmed, or Buffy, or, well, Supernatural. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/964 "2021-02-27T13:06:39Z")
Something else that doesn’t seem to fit but may just need to be overlooked - Agatha, wherever she was, detected this huge magic. Got puzzled by it, realized the power of it, got inside the hex, and inserted herself into the trope, all within time to enter as the nosy neighbor character a few minutes into the show, before the hex had someone else cast in the part? I don’t see how this isn’t set up as something that is true in this universe but it seems off. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/965 "2021-02-27T13:18:54Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …did everyone notice the video edit during the scene with the scepter? It was like the edits in earlier episodes. Is someone else (maybe the figure that looked like the Scarlet Witch) controlling the narrative? > [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I’m not sure what scene you refer to, In the flashback with Wanda’s encounter with the Infinity Stone, we first see it from (roughly) Wanda’s perspective, as the Stone glows, floats out from the scepter, and splits apart, and a glowing portal/energy bloom/something appears, with a silhouette reaching out to Wanda, and then Wanda collapses on the floor. Then, we see the Hydra scientists reviewing video footage of the incident while Wanda is being held in isolation in another room, and the footage skips from Wanda approaching the glowing stone, to Wanda collapsed on the floor. They rewind and rewatch it a couple of times, and make comments along the lines of “What happened? This doesn’t make any sense!” Which is odd on another level. At this point, we the actual IRL viewing audience are supposedly seeing Agatha’s reconstructions of Wanda’s memories. So…how are we seeing what the Hydra scientists saw on their monitors while Wanda was in isolation? Is _Wanda_ seeing this reconstruction in-universe? How did Agatha do that? ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/966 "2021-02-27T13:21:23Z")
Well, I officially wither my contention that Agatha is working for/with the real “Big Bad.” Not that I’m complaining — Kathryn Hahn is amazing and deserves to take center stage. And just a pet peeve of mine, but I hate it when media portray Salem as a genuine focus of witchcraft. Those weren’t witches who died in the trials — they were innocent victims of communal hysteria and local politics. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/967 "2021-02-27T13:36:41Z")
Well now, that’s a good question. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/968 "2021-02-27T13:38:47Z")
Salem witches also weren’t burned at the stake (or blasted with blue cosmic rays), but film and TV like to get that wrong as well. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/969 "2021-02-27T13:53:04Z")
She’s trying to trigger Wanda - trying to learn HOW she did it so that she can have those spells/incantations. Agatha does not buy it that Wanda doesn’t know ‘magic’. Until that final exposition and reveal - of course. @gdave -my take is that what we saw in Wanda’s memory (that part was specificallyunder a memory spell cast by Agatha - the rest were not) is that what we saw thru Wanda’s eyes is what happened - the stone/Wanda went to a different universe/place and came back with power. The stone from the sceptre was not in the sceptre (floated to Wanda) and showed itself as the mind stone to Wanda - none of this happened in the cell. Wanda’s powers are natural augmented by the mindstone and the universe she visited. Pietro’s powers are strictly mindstone. (Or maybe Wanda created Pietro by wishing he could get away “fast”) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=49)