# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/970 "2021-02-27T14:07:02Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > This will probably be a really minority opinion, but in the opening Salem scenes, and in the final hovering scene (both highly dramatic), I thought Hahn was pretty awkward. Otherwise she’s great at it Actually, I’d go further and say that Hahn was not very good throughout this episode. She’s been excellent throughout the series so far, but her over-the-top “I’m a bad guy” persona was pretty generic, to my tastes. To be fair, she was probably just doing what the director wanted, but it still fell pretty flat, IMO. Same, really, for Olsen. Excellent throughout the series, but 95% of this episode was just her numbly staring. YMMV, of course. Overall, I thought it was a merely OK episode that was just setting us up for the finale. Necessary but utilitarian at best. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/971 "2021-02-27T14:16:59Z")
> [@simster](#): > > @gdave -my take is that what we saw in Wanda’s memory (that part was specificallyunder a memory spell cast by Agatha - the rest were not) is that what we saw thru Wanda’s eyes is what happened - the stone/Wanda went to a different universe/place and came back with power. The stone from the sceptre was not in the sceptre (floated to Wanda) and showed itself as the mind stone to Wanda - none of this happened in the cell. Ok, but from the Hydra scientists’ perspective, we don’t see Wanda approaching the stone and collapsing. We see a distinct _skip_ from Wanda approaching the stone to Wanda already collapsed on the floor, which looks _exactly_ like the skip/glitches Darcy et al see when Wanda edits her sitcom reality. And, again, _how_ are we seeing what the Hydra scientists saw? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/972 "2021-02-27T14:21:32Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “[Big Red](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Red_(film))” and “Kidnapper” (which doesn’t appear to be a real film). Rather appropriate. And just before that there was a billboard with the word “Snap” on it. Before the change, the marquee said Tannhauser Gate Put the fun 1n dysfunction The first is an obvious Blade Runner reference, another movie about superpowered artificial humans. The second isn’t a real movie. Did anyone else think that Westview was a really sad, decaying little town? I know Earth went to shit after the Snap, and it’s only a few weeks since the Blip, but even so, the fact of the Blip should mean the people at least shouldn’t be so depressed. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/973 "2021-02-27T14:23:06Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Agatha, wherever she was, detected this huge magic. Got puzzled by it, realized the power of it, got inside the hex, and inserted herself into the trope, all within time to enter as the nosy neighbor character a few minutes into the show, before the hex had someone else cast in the part? The first episode we saw wasn’t right after Wanda set up the hex. Didn’t Jimmy say his witness had been missing for a week or so? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/974 "2021-02-27T14:53:27Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > And, again, _how_ are we seeing what the Hydra scientists saw? uhhh - _magic_? ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/975 "2021-02-27T15:06:43Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Speaking of superheroes and cancer, I can’t believe it took this long to bring up Deadpool. Oh, Ryan Reynolds acting isn’t THAT bad. (Close, but not that bad…) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/976 "2021-02-27T15:08:05Z")
Wanda walks straight into the first episode. Is your answer that they lived in the episode’s world living it a week before doing the show? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/977 "2021-02-27T15:13:08Z")
I’m starting to suspect that the writers of this series are probably a lot less imaginative than its fans. Sometimes a witness is just an excuse to get the attention of an FBI agent. Sometimes an aeronautics engineer is just somebody who can get their hands on a 1990s drone. Sometimes writers forget when they are telling a single POV narrative. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/978 "2021-02-27T15:22:26Z")
I’ve enjoyed speculating about all of the little details and mysteries, but I’m also really trying to just enjoy the show for what it is. You’re right, not every tertiary character is going to have a fully developed biography and not every dangling plot thread is going to be resolved. I really hope the fandom doesn’t disappear up its own ass and explode with outrage when it turns out that the teacup Dottie was holding in episode three wasn’t a subtle clue that she’s actually Mrs. Potts from _Beauty and the Beast_ as part of a new Disney multiverse. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/979 "2021-02-27T15:41:36Z")
> [@simster](#): > > > [@gdave](#): > > > > And, again, _how_ are we seeing what the Hydra scientists saw? > > uhhh - _magic_ ? Yes, of course, but the “magic” appears to be reconstructing Wanda’s memories. She can’t possibly have a memory of what the Hydra scientists saw in the other room. But, > [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > I’m starting to suspect that the writers of this series are probably a lot less imaginative than its fans. Sometimes a witness is just an excuse to get the attention of an FBI agent. Sometimes an aeronautics engineer is just somebody who can get their hands on a 1990s drone. Sometimes writers forget when they are telling a single POV narrative. Yeah, I think this is probably the answer to my question. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/980 "2021-02-27T15:48:37Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > She can’t possibly have a memory of what the Hydra scientists saw in the other room. Why not. From the moment of stone contact on she was a telepath … ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/981 "2021-02-27T15:56:51Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Did anyone else think that Westview was a really sad, decaying little town? I know Earth went to shit after the Snap, and it’s only a few weeks since the Blip, but even so, the fact of the Blip should mean the people at least shouldn’t be so depressed. Yes, clearly. The sign is dirty and faded, the downtown is run-down with mostly boarded up storefronts, the public pool is abandoned with rusting fencing falling down and the pool itself filed with scum. I don’t think that has anything to do with the Snap or the Blip, though. It’s just a typical American town with a dying downtown. It’s a dramatic contrast for the sake of the narrative. Vision had apparently bought a plot of land in the kind of suburb/small town Wanda seemed to love in her sitcoms, but the reality was grimy and kind of depressing. So she made it “better.” ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/982 "2021-02-27T16:06:13Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > I’m starting to suspect that the writers of this series are probably a lot less imaginative than its fans. > [@flurb](#): > > I really hope the fandom doesn’t disappear up its own ass and explode I keep reminding myself that most of the audience hasn’t spent the last thirty years devouring every Marvel comic and movie multiple times. And caring deeply about the characters, and nerding out over perceived easter eggs. A good reminder is that my Brother-in-Law and his family are watching. They are practical non-dorks who have never cracked a comic book. But they got sucked in because they loved the sitcom pastiches and are trying to keep up without committing to hours of other background media. Their comment: “We figured, it’s Disney, it’ll probably be good.” THAT’S who’s watching this, gang. And given that Marvel needs to keep it simple enough for non-mutants like them AND satisfy hardcore fans, they’re managing to stay on that tightrope. I sometimes judge a new plot point that way: “Okay, fans will say ‘We were right! Agnes = AGatha HarkNESS’, and BIL will say ‘Oh, a witch. I know what a witch is.’” We just need five more episodes (lots more Darcy and Woo, and a fun side story with SWORD agents who got turned into clowns, and Mutant Zombie Sparky…). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/983 "2021-02-27T16:15:28Z")
Well obviously the 27 people who still read comic books are not the intended audience. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/984 "2021-02-27T16:27:11Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I keep reminding myself that most of the audience hasn’t spent the last thirty years devouring every Marvel comic and movie multiple times. And caring deeply about the characters, and nerding out over perceived easter eggs. I actually am a Marvel fan. I haven’t read all the titles but I’ve read most of the 80s and 90s X-Men and some from the '00s, multiple runs of X-Factor, X-Force etc. I’ve read Mighty Thor and some old Thor, Amazing Spider-Man, etc. I’ve seen almost all of the films. And I _still_ find this thread hard to follow. I think you really do have to have been fully immersed in this universe (and all other iterations of said universe) to fully appreciate the conversation here. But I’m not one to speculate when I watch a thing. I just watch it. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/985 "2021-02-27T16:33:52Z")
Nice catch on the grimy town folks…I didn’t catch it cause i was too busy wiping all the tears away, and then she opened the property deed and oh gawwwwd. Also it sure felt like Wanda drove out of the SWORD parking lot and went down the street to Westview. Given what happened to Avengers HQ…maybe don’t build SWORD so close to millions of people. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/986 "2021-02-27T16:36:10Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > I’m starting to suspect that the writers of this series are probably a lot less imaginative than its fans. For as long as the credits go on, it seems that they have quite the army of writers. An army that is dwarfed by the massive volunteer militia of fans. The fans _will_ find all the plotholes that the writers missed, and they will catch all the easter eggs that they put in. I’ve seen plenty of speculation that seemed to tell a better story than the one that actually ends up playing out, but they can only tell one story, the fans are not limited that way. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/987 "2021-02-27T16:38:16Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > The sign is dirty and faded, the downtown is run-down with mostly boarded up storefronts, the public pool is abandoned with rusting fencing falling down and the pool itself filed with scum. I don’t think that has anything to do with the Snap or the Blip, though. It’s just a typical American town with a dying downtown. The Snap probably didn’t do it any favors. And any benefits of the Blip haven’t had time to work their way in. Those was chosen as a town for them to settle down in. I would assume that it would have been a more vibrant community when that decision was made. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/988 "2021-02-27T16:39:09Z")
For anyone that cares, [here](https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/wandavision-quicksilver-why-recast-evan-peters-aaron-taylor-johnson/) is Marvel bigwig Kevin Fiege explaining the Evan Peters casting: > [@](#): > > “That’s one of the fun things about developing these things or blue-skying it in the rooms,” Feige said (via [_The Wrap_](https://www.thewrap.com/wandavision-pietro-recasting-evan-peters-aaron-taylor-johnson-kevin-feige/)). “My favorite part of the process is always the very, very beginning when we’re figuring out what something could be and at the very, very end when we’re refining it and putting it out into the world. So there were all sorts of discussions, but I believe we ended up going with what you saw relatively early on in the development process. It’s just another way that certain people were messing around with Wanda.” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/989 "2021-02-27T16:41:19Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Also it sure felt like Wanda drove out of the SWORD parking lot and went down the street to Westview. Given what happened to Avengers HQ…maybe don’t build SWORD so close to millions of people. There was a bit of a travel montage. But it actually seemed as though SWORD was closer to urban areas anyway. If you need lots of people and infrastructure, you build near people and infrastructure. What reason would they have to build it in a remote area? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=50)